Do You Enjoy Manipulating People?



Stefanie, you don't honestly think us guys don't know exactly what you do with not replying back asap? It's so predictable, you can literally set your clock to it. At least if you have dated a few women you see the same things happening again and again. You just have to realize that the more you play games, the more you will be manipulated, used and dumped. If you play games, you will get played by better players eventually and men are also better players than women when they try. Maybe you will figure this out eventually.
 
I really don't know how to interpret "Being an adult isn't exciting," other than to conclude that you don't feel that being an adult is exciting.
Being an adult is work, it takes character. It's a full time gig that doesn't leave a lot of time for guessing games or waiting for someone to call back.

High quality men don't wait for women. They have choices. Women who keep men waiting and don't get lucky, pick a loser or have some incredible assets to bring to the table, end up 30-something, childless, alone and desperate.

Men age a lot better than women, unfortunately feminism has convinced a lot of broads that they are just as sexually valuable at 40 as they are at 20. Obviously that's not true (and makes selling yoga and gym memberships a piece of cake). Women have a narrow 15 or 20 year window to stake their claim.

Your brevity and choice of words seemed to indicate a tone of derision, hence the tone of my reply :)
I'm brief when I make a point to an audience that I feel won't need exposition. It's not derision, it's respect for your intellect.
 
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Being an adult is not very exciting. It's an evolutionary thing. If the main goal of life is procreation and healthy offspring, human children require stability to thrive. Stability= not very exciting. Therefore responsible adult= not very exciting (The keyword here being very. There's always the days when the kids go to grandma's ;) )
 
Being an adult is not very exciting. It's an evolutionary thing. If the main goal of life is procreation and healthy offspring, human children require stability to thrive. Stability= not very exciting. Therefore responsible adult= not very exciting (The keyword here being very. There's always the days when the kids go to grandma's ;) )
Well said, this was my point.
 
Until you are actually ignoring them unintentionally, you are still a young grasshopper.

Super easy if the girls in question are subpar or mediocre.

I readily admit that I need to artificially curb my enthusiasm when I’ve got a shot with a bombshell I’m hot for. Jedi masters that don’t feel this at all need to check their pulse.

Being an adult is not very exciting. It's an evolutionary thing. If the main goal of life is procreation and healthy offspring, human children require stability to thrive. Stability= not very exciting. Therefore responsible adult= not very exciting

I don’t need to engage in risky behaviour in order to feel excited about life. I merely need to pull myself out of my comfort zone.

The pool of fun adults does dwindle with time. Luckily I’m not tied at the hip to anyone.
 
100% direct is not necessarily bad but it does put you at a slight disadvantage with most women, especially in the beginning of a relationship. Who you are and what you have to offer is only part of the equation - the other half (if not more) is how you make someone feel. Although your approach is commendable, it's not very exciting.

If it attracts he kind of women you like, great - but contrary to what they'll tell you, most women actually do enjoy a bit of ambiguity at first. Even the most rational woman will have a hard time talking herself out of being attracted to someone if they manage to figure out/accidentally hit upon how it is she wants to feel and then they make it happen.

Point taken. It's not as much the product as the marketing. I feel that guys mostly let women set the tone because they'll do anything to get laid. For example, most women like games. Most guys don't. But most guys will do their best to play along because it's their chance to get laid. In that sense women are much more true to themselves. If something is off or doesn't feel right or she doesn't like something she bails very easily. A guy is willing to go thru a ton of shit he doesn't enjoy to get to "the prize". Hey, wanna go shopping with me and hold my bags? Sure! hey wanna, play stupid text games for a week? Sure!
 
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Stability= not very exciting. Therefore responsible adult= not very exciting

Learned it the hard way. Back to being an irresponsible fuck. Bitches love irresponsible fucks and all the excitement that comes out of it for some reason. True story. Had the whole life set up with the most expensive things that are needed in this life almost paid off + more, plans for the kids, etc, she didn't want it, fine, gtfo my life.
 
Learned it the hard way. Back to being an irresponsible fuck. Bitches love irresponsible fucks and all the excitement that comes out of it for some reason. True story. Had the whole life set up with the most expensive things that are needed in this life almost paid off + more, plans for the kids, etc, she didn't want it, fine, gtfo my life.

So you tried to buy her?
 
toooo complicated. Safer to stay with hookers!

It's pretty safe. But that's not the reason. It just makes way more sense. You spend a very reasonable amount of money and have sex with a very attractive woman of your choice. Mission accomplished.

Compare to:

Regularly spend a ton of your valuable time and efforts on 1) online dating 2) going out to bars and clubs 3) dating. And not getting sex most of the time anyway. Just frustration, rejection and waste of your time (most of the time).

Seriously, if one does not have an ethical issue with prostitution - that's the best bargain a man can get.

I know you will say - but what about love and getting a woman who truly likes you for you. Well, you're welcome to spend your free time chasing them. But you have the sex already in your pocket and you will actually come off less desperate and will actually look for women who you like beyond sex (personality, etc.)

Real talk motherfuckers.
 
100% direct is not necessarily bad but it does put you at a slight disadvantage with most women, especially in the beginning of a relationship. Who you are and what you have to offer is only part of the equation - the other half (if not more) is how you make someone feel. Although your approach is commendable, it's not very exciting.

If it attracts he kind of women you like, great - but contrary to what they'll tell you, most women actually do enjoy a bit of ambiguity at first. Even the most rational woman will have a hard time talking herself out of being attracted to someone if they manage to figure out/accidentally hit upon how it is she wants to feel and then they make it happen.

Cosigned, not to mention many of us enjoy the actual courting and seduction process as much as "just getting laid"( if not more).

Jetto-If all you want is a simply lay, by all means just do whatever you feel is necessary between two consensual adults to get rid of that urge, but hopefully your lust for passion does deeper than that. Sex is just the main course of what could be a 16 course meal.


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Some of you guys remind me of John Nash at the bar in "A Beautiful Mind".

It's not that complicated.

1. Appreciate women.
2. Realize your seducer type and fine tune it (for example, I'm [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0jRv-pxY7k&"]The Art of Seduction - The Rake By Robert Greene - YouTube[/ame] according to Greene's book)
3. You wouldn't need this if you did the first two...


EDIT: Many of you guys sound like you're confusing coquettish tendencies with all types of seduction.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6K9WGcCToU"]The Art of Seduction - The Coquette By Robert Greene - YouTube[/ame]


P.S. Turbo? I've had more fun as an adult than I ever did as a child or college student..
 
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Learned it the hard way. Back to being an irresponsible fuck. Bitches love irresponsible fucks and all the excitement that comes out of it for some reason. True story. Had the whole life set up with the most expensive things that are needed in this life almost paid off + more, plans for the kids, etc, she didn't want it, fine, gtfo my life.

LOL. Why would you relegate yourself to the realm of irresponsibility when you can get just as much punani being a baller who has their shit together. Hold yourself to a standard. Fuck those who don't make it.

EDIT: You might be looking in the wrong place. There are women who are on your level (got their shit together) or better.
 
LOL. Why would you relegate yourself to the realm of irresponsibility when you can get just as much punani being a baller who has their shit together. Hold yourself to a standard. Fuck those who don't make it.

EDIT: You might be looking in the wrong place. There are women who are on your level (got their shit together) or better.

QFT, I think I met one the other day, but no plans to do anything until the divorce is final, if at all. Fuck, just don't want to put my trust into anybody anymore. Probably need some time to get over it, but at this point I don't think I want to get married ever again.
As for irresponsible, I mean in personal life, not work. Marriage was responsibility imo. Now will just do whatever I feel like doing without any back thoughts.
 
QFT, I think I met one the other day, but no plans to do anything until the divorce is final, if at all. Fuck, just don't want to put my trust into anybody anymore. Probably need some time to get over it, but at this point I don't think I want to get married ever again.
As for irresponsible, I mean in personal life, not work. Marriage was responsibility imo. Now will just do whatever I feel like doing without any back thoughts.

Ah. I wouldn't call it responsible, just boring. Heroin/meth addicts are irresponsible. Richard Branson is interesting. #ballin

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I don't like doing it at all but it's necessary most of the time. I don't like outsmarting people or playing games with women but it's necessary in this society if you want to achieve a lot of things.

Quoted for the truth. You may not like it, but that's what we have to do in order to succeed.