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I must be insanely lucky as I have several sites over that threshold ... many on shared and not a single one on a dedicated. In fact, I've had one site hit 5k daily on a shared plan before feeling any pinch, moved to vps and it looks like I've got the resources for about 20-30k daily.

I've got no advice for trig as I don't run a dedicated anything anywhere ... sorry for adding so little to the conversation.

There are a lot of factors. How many queries per page, optimization per service (mysql, apache) including caching, how "loaded" the box is via the host, etc.

A 50 query page with mysql may top out around 500 uniques/day depending on the other variables.
 


Ok, as I was saying. There are a few other things you need to watch out for with the VPS that, although you still need to watch out for them, aren't as serious with a dedicated server.

Obviously there is CPU and RAM allotment. Some companies won't even give you a guarantee'd CPU allotment, so you're screwed if someone else is trying to take a lot of power. Most will give you a small amount such as 512 MHz guarantee'd, etc.

RAM is about the same way. You have burst RAM and guarantee'd ram. Once again this is up to the other clients on the box as well as how they stacked it. If you're on a great box, you might as well have the damn thing to youself. If not, you're going to be pretty screwed especially if the RAM guarantee is <512 MB. That's all of the common sense stuff, though.

Now for the real kicker. Most people don't think about the disk inode offering per VPS. This is a -big- factor if you have a lot of files and/or do scraping like I do. I would hit the disk inode limit way before I would hit my space limit. Just keep this in mind, because the fucker fills up fast!

The other thing in comparing VPS / Dedicated is how stable the performance is. If you have a dedi and you are the only one on it, if you have a performance slow down its due to your stuff. A VPS is so versatile, that if Customer B cancels and now Customer D (you know, a smaller mirror to imageshack or a web scraper like me) gets throw on your box, your resource usage and allotment can change literally overnight. It's not nerely as concrete.

Anyway these are just my 2 cents. Hope it all makes sense, and if not just ask I'll try to explain it a little more ...
 
Ok, and now it's time for me to set you straight. For someone thats all for saving money, why are you getting screwed so bad? cPanel for VPS is a $5 monthly fee at cost, which most VPS providers will give you it at that cost - so why are you paying $15?

Second - VPS's are great and all for lower scale op's, but once you get over a certain threshold (you know.. like over 500 visitors a day on a mysql site) - most VPS's will buckle unless it's PROPERLY setup, which is almost never now a days.

Make sure you do your benchmarks. Until then, I'll stick with my 8 core opteron form Softlayer.

Oh please, set me straight.

As far as price, I mentioned linode.com, and slicehost.com... who NEITHER offer cpanel period. The 14$ was referring to getting cpanel directly FROM a licensing partner of CPANEL.

cPanel - The Leading Control Panel

VPS Licensing. You'll notice that most of these VPS companies OFFERING cpanel packages, also rip you a new one in price, and specs. Again, look at Slicehost and Linode... Both are reputable companies, with very generous bang for the buck.

Next, if your VPS is buckling at 500 visitors/day, you don't know how to configure your LAMP, or you're on a REALLY shit VPS. Again, referring to the above 2 companies I mentioned, they've done their shit right as far as I can see.

For benchmarks, yes, a dedicated box will win, considering the hardware allotment is not comparable to a dedicated box for most packages out there.

It comes down to needs, most of the "ballers" on this site are running dedicated boxes, and using maybe 1/4th of the actual resources they need, at PEAK. I've got a couple VPS's, and a couple dedicateds, each hosts what it needs to host.

Ok, as I was saying. There are a few other things you need to watch out for with the VPS that, although you still need to watch out for them, aren't as serious with a dedicated server.

Obviously there is CPU and RAM allotment. Some companies won't even give you a guarantee'd CPU allotment, so you're screwed if someone else is trying to take a lot of power. Most will give you a small amount such as 512 MHz guarantee'd, etc.

RAM is about the same way. You have burst RAM and guarantee'd ram. Once again this is up to the other clients on the box as well as how they stacked it. If you're on a great box, you might as well have the damn thing to youself. If not, you're going to be pretty screwed especially if the RAM guarantee is <512 MB. That's all of the common sense stuff, though.

Now for the real kicker. Most people don't think about the disk inode offering per VPS. This is a -big- factor if you have a lot of files and/or do scraping like I do. I would hit the disk inode limit way before I would hit my space limit. Just keep this in mind, because the fucker fills up fast!

The other thing in comparing VPS / Dedicated is how stable the performance is. If you have a dedi and you are the only one on it, if you have a performance slow down its due to your stuff. A VPS is so versatile, that if Customer B cancels and now Customer D (you know, a smaller mirror to imageshack or a web scraper like me) gets throw on your box, your resource usage and allotment can change literally overnight. It's not nerely as concrete.

Anyway these are just my 2 cents. Hope it all makes sense, and if not just ask I'll try to explain it a little more ...


Linode has no i/o limit, and has generous RAM/CPU allotments for the price. But spending 100$+ for something you can easily do on a VPS... is 100$+ you could've spent on a new car.

No need for bigger penises here... I'm sure your 8 core from Softlayer is using at LEAST 1% of it's capabilities, which I guess justifies the cost to you.


And no, not a VPS freak, I just think wasting money on something you don't need is dumb. This guy said he was on shared hosting, and the hosting company messed up, so he wants to move to a dedicated solution? Softlayer is great and all, but they seem to be a mostly unmanaged solution.
 

LOL on this

I must be insanely lucky as I have several sites over that threshold ... many on shared and not a single one on a dedicated. In fact, I've had one site hit 5k daily on a shared plan before feeling any pinch, moved to vps and it looks like I've got the resources for about 20-30k daily.

I've got no advice for trig as I don't run a dedicated anything anywhere ... sorry for adding so little to the conversation.

Now I'm interested in knowing your host now lol...PM me

Onto the thread, I've used quite a few...my recommendation would be Liquidweb.
 
about my host ....

Now I'm interested in knowing your host now lol...PM me

Railsplayground.com Ruby On Rails Hosting

They do ruby on rails hosting, but offer php plans as well (which is what I use)

Currently I run the $25/monthly VPS with LXadmin instead of cPanel so the system resources stay under control. LXadmin does the same things cPanel does, the layout is just different and takes a bit of getting used to ... but for only $25/monthly it was worth the headache.

I still have my shared host through this company because the deal I got 3 years ago was outstanding ... $10/year. When I outgrew it, they moved my big site to the vps and I used the shared account for another domain.

I think they've got $5/month plans currently .. but I'd suggest the $15/m vps if you've got more than just one domain and the sites are not resource hogs. The $25 plan doubles your ram and diskspace. They are both good deals

I've had similar success with my hostgator reseller package, but it didn't push the limits that railsplayground does.

Hope that's what you were looking for.

Trig, they offer dedicated servers @ $200/m ... which sounds a bit on the high side.
 
softlayer for dedi, but gotta agree with all thats been said about the benefits of a properly configured VPS...
I'll throw my hat in for linode.com... even their cheapest $20/month plan gets you 360RAM, in your choice of one of 4 diff. data centers. Want redundancy? You can clone full install/setups + easily add them to new accounts in other data centers... If you have more than 1 account the bandwidth limits are pooled (meaning if your vps in texas only uses 20gigs this month the remainder on your cap can be used by the other vps account u have in their newark, NJ datacenter)... those are just two of maybe 30 reasons why i'd suggest you go with a VPS rather than shell out the $ for a full dedi (well, at least for 95% of u out there). If you're hitting the limits on your VPS and are only hosting static website and/or email, then you should re-think the way you've configured the linux distro.. there are countless tutorials and guides available to help you streamline the install for whatever your intended use is for.
 
Anyone familiar with midPhase?

i know people that have used them for shared hosting, but i personally wouldn't bother. i've been in the hosting industry for quite awhile now (got out of it a few years ago when i sold my company), but midphase should be thought as one of those oversaturated, throw-away hosts... like hostgator.

if you want a decent dedicated server, as someone mentioned before in this thread, go with liquidweb. their support is phenomenal, and even if it's more expensive, you get what you pay for.

especially with hosting, i wouldn't think twice about skimping on costs. what happens if your host goes down and doesn't backup because they lack competence, etc.
 
I'm going to recommend LayeredTech.com. I've had a server with LayeredTech since... 2004, I think. The network has been pretty much rock solid in their Databank (I think that's the name) datacenter. They also recently merged with Fastservers.net, so they've got a lot more options.

I've also heard a lot of good things about SoftLayer, who now has 3 datacenters. Haven't used them personally, but a friend used to use them for a high-traffic, forum hosting website - he said that support was always great, and he used their iSCSI SAN storage for actually storing the databases. It's probably not necessary for whatever you're doing, but having iSCSI SAN solutions on a sub-$300 dedicated server is always a plus. As a slightly cheaper option, they've also got dirt cheap NAS storage available (not as fast, but great for off-backups & anything like that).
 
Why don't you try 3fn.net?
Professional support, flawless reputation and good prices as well...
 
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