Communication problem w/ Clickbooth, anyone ?
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misterproline,
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When a publisher does things that are illegal and violates other companies terms of service as well as our terms of service, it puts both us and our advertisers in jeopardy - we are a quality network that only works with quality and compliant publishers.
Edit by Eli: NO publicizing publishers personal information on a public forum jackass.
When someone posts very vague things that discredit us, I have to respond with all the facts of what occurred. He chose to bring select facts to light - in public - without elaborating on the reasons for which he was not paid. I'd like to note that I said nothing that identified him - I simply said what occurred. We are a large company that has a reputation to uphold.
And as far as paying for the Craig's List traffic, we do not accept Spam of any kind in our network. We have been built off of a firm reputation of trust between our advertisers and publishers. I wouldn't trust companies that support Craig's List Spam or any other illegal traffic. I can promise you that these companies will not be around for the long haul. It is the companies that establish and build the right relationships, with the right people, that you should want to do business with.
If you are engaging in these types of activities - we wouldn't be the network to work with. We work with the best of the best and compliant publishers when it comes to On-Site Marketing, Opt-in Email Marketing, Search Marketing, and Incentive-Path marketing.
alright mr. clickbooth... you posted certainly enough info to tie it back to who they are. furthermore, even if it is just a nickname on a forum, i've never seen another company publicly state someone's earnings or violations if they didn't get permission. i'm sure somewhere in your TOS or privacy policy it says you won't reveal those things. and while we are on the TOS...
i haven't read your tos, to be honest, but i'm sure there is something in there about sequential liability, meaning if you're not going to pay then you give up the advertiser's info so the person can pursue the $. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that you guys got paid, like I said earlier... so give up the advertiser's info and let the guy go after his $... then we can see if you got paid or not.
misterproonline - whichever advertiser you didn't get paid for, ask for their info so you can pursue payment, there is no way a company is going to reject a good lead just bc it's from clist...
also, to everyone, learn how to hide your damn referrers.
i haven't read your tos, to be honest, but i'm sure there is something in there about sequential liability, meaning if you're not going to pay then you give up the advertiser's info so the person can pursue the $. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that you guys got paid, like I said earlier... so give up the advertiser's info and let the guy go after his $... then we can see if you got paid or not.
misterproonline - whichever advertiser you didn't get paid for, ask for their info so you can pursue payment, there is no way a company is going to reject a good lead just bc it's from clist...
also, to everyone, learn how to hide your damn referrers.
When someone discloses within a public forum the alleged inner details of our relationship with them, whether it be positive or negative, we are not only at liberty to respond with the complete and accurate details of that relationship – I feel we are required to. We owe it to the 16,000 affiliates we do business with as well as the thousands of advertisers that rely on us. We are a network that believes strongly about doing right by people; transparency in our actions is very important to us.
As I am sure you know – if we did accept a payment from an advertiser for what we know is illegal traffic, we would be profiting from it and we would be just as accountable. That would not be fair to the many partners we work with that are doing things the right way. We are not short-sighted in ANY of our business relationships.
We are the fastest growing, and by many accounts the largest performance based network in the world for one sole reason: We treat both our advertisers and our publishers the way they should be treated and give them both a competitive business advantage by working with us. If you are going to do business that is illegal, the only advice I can offer is simply don't attempt this with us. Save yourself the time of going through the process of attempting to get an account, doing illegal traffic, and eventually getting caught and shutdown.
As I am sure you know – if we did accept a payment from an advertiser for what we know is illegal traffic, we would be profiting from it and we would be just as accountable. That would not be fair to the many partners we work with that are doing things the right way. We are not short-sighted in ANY of our business relationships.
We are the fastest growing, and by many accounts the largest performance based network in the world for one sole reason: We treat both our advertisers and our publishers the way they should be treated and give them both a competitive business advantage by working with us. If you are going to do business that is illegal, the only advice I can offer is simply don't attempt this with us. Save yourself the time of going through the process of attempting to get an account, doing illegal traffic, and eventually getting caught and shutdown.
A more responsible company would have answered with a PM or something stating the issue was resolved or XXXXX was notified why he was banned via PM.
Also, you didn't care to mention the sequential liability. Can mrproonline get what offer he was pushing company's details to pursue the payment and double check you guys weren't paid? How can you prove you weren't paid without at least doing that?
Also, you didn't care to mention the sequential liability. Can mrproonline get what offer he was pushing company's details to pursue the payment and double check you guys weren't paid? How can you prove you weren't paid without at least doing that?
oh thank god for Direct track, makes it 100% impossible to screw the publishers................... oh wait....................... that sounds like BULLSHIT!!!
The fact that you disclosed your publishers traffic source is fucking retarded. I guess you guys are trying to project some kinda lilly white image but you really aren't fooling anyone.
I really really hope your not my account rep because the stuff you are saying here is VERY different than what goes on over the instant messanger.
But since some people value the privacy of this relationship... it doesnt show up on forums.
traffic that violates the TOS you don't accept....
or traffic that comes from sites that have sent multiple C&D's you don't accept.
I vote for a Ban for this account rep.
Engaged - we are going in circles - a responsible company has not only the right but the responsibility to make sure the truth about a public situation is correlated in a public manner. A private situation in a private manner..etc. This situation was made public so we needed to make sure the truth was clarified.
As far as sequential liability - you are right. There is liability, but it is not from the publisher to the advertiser. The liability that is incurred is from the advertiser to the publisher because the publisher risked both the Goodwill of that advertiser as well as the Goodwill of our company by violating both of our terms and illegally generating traffic. We pay out of pocket even if we are not paid and have done that numerous times. We do not pay out of pocket for traffic generated in an illegal manner - that would just encourage the abuse which would lead to the eventual collapse of a network built off lies.
As far as sequential liability - you are right. There is liability, but it is not from the publisher to the advertiser. The liability that is incurred is from the advertiser to the publisher because the publisher risked both the Goodwill of that advertiser as well as the Goodwill of our company by violating both of our terms and illegally generating traffic. We pay out of pocket even if we are not paid and have done that numerous times. We do not pay out of pocket for traffic generated in an illegal manner - that would just encourage the abuse which would lead to the eventual collapse of a network built off lies.
actually, a responsible company would never publicly state something about someone's account. while i may not get along with google, could you imagine them saying this??
also, you didn't address how mrproonline can contcat the advertiser to make sure you didn't get paid and possibly collect payment for leads I *guarantee* they are still going to use.
Holy shit! What the hell happened here?!!?!?
I need to read through this.. Looks like CB just picked a fight with our 3-4 harshest members too. Ouch!
I need to read through this.. Looks like CB just picked a fight with our 3-4 harshest members too. Ouch!
Alright.. my decision is the following:
I'm not going to ban Lisa unless she apologizes here for posting an affiliate's earnings/traffic sources. That's not a rule here, but it will be now because of this. That's one of the few things that any network should know is in POOR taste and just a really fucked up thing to do.
I don't care if the affiliate was banned, all you have to do is say "you didn't get paid because you were banned or violated our TOS", and then take it up with them in private (which you should probably have done in the first place when it happened, and not just ban them and ignore them) -- but I don't run your network, so what you guys say or do with affiliates is your call, not mine.
But let it be known right now..
If ANY network, merchant, or any type of affiliate program EVER posts an affiliate's private information such as earnings/stats, revenues, traffic sources, contact information, etc. WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION you will not only be banned here, but I swear to god I will take all of your company's information, and put you on our BANNED FOR LIFE blacklist, and make it a mission to make sure every affiliate that comes here knows what you did and to never work with you.
Networks have their terms, now we have ours. Gone are the days that affiliates have little or no way of fighting back.
Note to networks reading this too: If you're going to ban an affiliate for whatever reason, TELL THEM WHY, don't just ban them and ignore them, it will only lead to forum drama down the line for you, and never, ever, post any affiliate information on the forum. All networks have their "privacy policy" and "terms of service" and they all state that "we will never share your information".. well, that includes here guys. So don't let me see this shit again.
I'm not going to ban Lisa unless she apologizes here for posting an affiliate's earnings/traffic sources. That's not a rule here, but it will be now because of this. That's one of the few things that any network should know is in POOR taste and just a really fucked up thing to do.
I don't care if the affiliate was banned, all you have to do is say "you didn't get paid because you were banned or violated our TOS", and then take it up with them in private (which you should probably have done in the first place when it happened, and not just ban them and ignore them) -- but I don't run your network, so what you guys say or do with affiliates is your call, not mine.
But let it be known right now..
If ANY network, merchant, or any type of affiliate program EVER posts an affiliate's private information such as earnings/stats, revenues, traffic sources, contact information, etc. WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION you will not only be banned here, but I swear to god I will take all of your company's information, and put you on our BANNED FOR LIFE blacklist, and make it a mission to make sure every affiliate that comes here knows what you did and to never work with you.
Networks have their terms, now we have ours. Gone are the days that affiliates have little or no way of fighting back.
Note to networks reading this too: If you're going to ban an affiliate for whatever reason, TELL THEM WHY, don't just ban them and ignore them, it will only lead to forum drama down the line for you, and never, ever, post any affiliate information on the forum. All networks have their "privacy policy" and "terms of service" and they all state that "we will never share your information".. well, that includes here guys. So don't let me see this shit again.
Sounds like CB to me. You do not have 16,000 active affiliates. You have 16,000 total and many are not active and of the active only a percentage of those make decent amounts of money. Your revenue figures you post over at DigitalPoint are completely ridiculous as well. You also don't have 86 employees working for you and of the four I know of (which are probably over half your employees) only one has a Mobile account hooked up on AIM.
Has anyone else suspected the CTR stats they're getting from CB are not right? I was running a nearly identical campaign with another network recently and was seeing very good EPCs. I switched when the other network cancelled most of the campaigns I was running, and my EPCs dropped to almost nothing at CB despite it being a nearly identical campaign. Not accusing anyone, just asking if anyone has had similar experiences?
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