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I will leave one tip for the duffers - don't overreact. Don't rip apart your site or do anything rash...
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That tip is golden, it has saved me before and i hope it will save me again. As i said before, i believe it is partly scare tactics. If you keep at it even though you're failing google has to think "wow, this must be a real site not exclusively made for profit!". That's my naive, wishful thinking anyways :D
There is a lot of talk about googles algorithm not being "that smart"...that might be true, but the only logical conclusion would be to scare those who are smarter (humans) into making errors so the algorithm can catch them.

I just want to say one last thing to imbo: Thanks for explaining yourself, i think i understand your rage a bit better now. You don't want to be stereotyped because a bunch of noobs give SEO a bad rep. That's possibly a real threat to your current or future income. I can emphasize with that and it is actually the reason why i left certain other forums. Not because i want to actually work for clients - i could not anyways as i do not posess the skills. But because my brain was bleeding from all the obvious stupidity and misinformation.

I hope this settles things, because i'd rather go back to communication that feels more constructive to me. Wether that be sharing actual data on the update or giving gay webmaster bros cyberhugs..because you know...red arrows and stuff....
 


Jaysus - I thought it was bad enough with Google fucking around but there was no need to bring the Alan Parsons Project into this! Srs?!

I mean yes - the man is a legend for Dark side of the moon but his solo stuff?!
 
kryaa said:
It would seem that the middle ground, the "grey" is being eroded and i'm sick of it. It's the only playing field non-ballers can contribute value AND make a profit. Personally, i like to add to the Internet. I don't really spend time and energy to learn again and again and again how to game the system. I want to provide value and be rewarded for that, but that is something that google has decided to not allow anymore.

Well, I've been struggling for a long time with occasional wins and i honestly don't want to give up. But everytime i rethink my strategy, some animal comes and stops me mid-way, and gobbles up hundreds spent in links and content. Sounds familiar? Can't be, afterall we're all millionairs posting....

I'll stop buying "all in one" BSTs...those who are "safe" are still pretty spammy imho and produce negligable results. Those who produce results are still powered by blog networks and., as this update has possibly shown (i second the observation that more networks got killed) - high risk - especially if you factor in the small margins of affiliate sites. I'm talking about low ticket items...

I'm really sick of this being a struggle. Especially because i remember the time where it wasn't and you also remember that you did not take full advantage of it. Honestly, that shit google is pulling is like what TGP and later tube sites was in adult. I guess we are still at the late TGP stages where SOME (easy?) money can be made though.

Yeah, laugh all you want, i'm just frustrated and need to vent a bit.
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Think about it, if it was very easy every cunt would be invading this industry. Seo winners will be those left standing after the Google nuclear backlink BOMB. For lack of a better explanation, Google needs credible competition.

We created the monopoly, against my several warnings and now look what we have. Google is not God, neither can they dominate forever, trust me their rein is just an illusion and very temporary indeed.

Be patient people, if history serves me right, the next big thing is coming and Google would soon feel what Microsoft is feeling after they thought they won the BROWSER WARS by using despicable tactics to nuke other providers.

My site is now dancing hip-hop in a big way after only doing some high quality bookmarks. Call it Google dance all you want, I am trying to give the bitch some laxatives so it can calm down.

This Google guy sure can party, what type of drugs are you taking that allows you to dance with my partner for 77 hours straight and counting. I will be giving you another 24 hours before I resort to ............. alternatives.
 
Still havent seen any improvements in rankings, but going to give it a week before deciding what to do.
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My two cents:

The lesson I've learned is interaction.

Sure it's great to rank for some words, even better when some of your stuff converts and you see the dollar sign when you open you business in the morning from something that happened over night. But as alluded to earlier, how multi-faceted is your business? How stable is it?

If you're building a business with many faces, and you're attracting people in many ways, you'll be okay if you harness the relationships with not only your customers, but your competition and fellow businessmen. Survive long enough where maybe your customers are the ones bringing you MOST of your business, not just G.

How valuable is the contact information with a single customer who might buy a second time? How valuable is the relationship with a person who is willing to bring his or her friends/family to you for a purchase? How valuable is standing out from the crowd with a real phone call, thank you letter, or similar act to your big buyers?

G will probably continue to dilute everything as much as possible because they want to stir the pot, they want you to get pissed an leave if you're a temporary, they want you to just quit resisting and go adwords.

The internet isn't going anywhere. It's just changing.

But business with real people isn't changing (at least not as fast). If anything, it's getting better because if you harness the real interactions of people, they can share you better and faster than ever. People will always look for differentiation, and they'll always want to feel like they made a good buy.
 
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Think about it, if it was very easy every cunt would be invading this industry. Seo winners will be those left standing after the Google nuclear backlink BOMB. For lack of a better explanation, Google needs credible competition.
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In a way, this makes sense, but if that "credible competition" is amazon or any other gigantic brand the Serp quality does not really improve. I think i often underestimate, how much more competition there is these days. Only a few years back, all you had to do was to build a couple reciprocal links, submit to a few directories and voila...you got your site hooked up with a bit of traffic, which would only increase with site age. Adapting to the scope of action and endurance which is now required to survive is a daunting task, if your mindset is lagging behind and your cash resources are finite. That being said, barrier of entry is fine with me, if i can still compete :action-smiley-052:. I guess this is how everyone feels.

The lesson I've learned is interaction.
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My successful sites are based on a high level of interaction. But is this interaction scalable? Is it easy to remove yourself from a site? I somehow doubt that. One example is content. I've found that highly engaging content which is aligned with your brands value is both incredibly difficult to outsource and extremly expensive. Native Speakers are highly favoured here, because they can simply write their pillar content themselves and outsource the rest to beef up their sites.
 
Oh there was an update? lol it really didn't make any difference in my revenue this time because I am no longer depending on organic SEO.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
 
mituozo said:
The problem with white hat for affiliates is that you're competing against the people that get a bigger cut of the pie because they're higher up the chain.

The white hat winners have big budgets, and aren't just investing in SEO because it's all they know, but as part of a combined strategy across paid, social, email, etc. That almost immediately eliminates most of the "spam" markers that pure SEO's tend to get labeled with, meaning that penalties aren't really a concern for real businesses with real online marketing strategies.

If you want white hat success, you need to be building a real business behind it. Sell a product, service, or whatever. If you're just another affiliate, you're most likely going to struggle. You have no value add to the customer, what-so-ever, no matter how long you've spent trying to fool yourself that you do. Your content costs $0.02-$0.05 a word from oDesk just like everyone else's, and is rewritten from the first 5 pages of search results for "best weight loss supplement", "best online casino", "payday loans online", "raspberry ketones review" or whatever other industry you're in. That "high quality content" may be written by a super human English college grad who makes one grammatical error per million words, but it's not high quality. It's the same bullshit on every affiliate site.

The whitehat affiliates that do thrive are the affiliates with clever software or in depth industry experience that add value to the buying process. Think Skyscanner, Compare The Market, Kayak, Poker Affiliate Listings, etc..

Affiliates need to realise that their industry is being cannibalised, whether they're in PPC, SEO, Social or whatever. As the industry matures, and the companies themselves become better at marketing themselves cross channel online, they're going to progressively price affiliates out of the game. There will remain a place for the people that can do the blackhat stuff that real brands don't want to be associated with (no matter what channel it may be), and the gurus who have built up cult followings, but the whole PPC direct to a standard lander, or SEO to do much the same, Pinterest spam, yada yada... I have my doubts.
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlcI0kKitY]Mark Cuban's Advice On Small Business Competition - YouTube[/ame]
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1nex08iKY]Penguin Prison performing "Don't Fuss With My Money" on KCRW - YouTube[/ame]
 
avatar33 said:
Oh there was an update? lol it really didn't make any difference in my revenue this time because I am no longer depending on organic SEO.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A]George Bush's "Fool Me Once" Gaffe - YouTube[/ame]
 
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