Bitcoin hits $100

Two more quick points

1) This is a serious gamechanger for dodgy Internet services like pay torrent sites, filelockers and pay streaming. Paper trail from accepting CC transactions is a big risk but this is basically eliminated if they accept BTC and know what they're doing to ensure anonymity.

2) Malware writers and blackhatters have a serious new way to monetise! Forget using the PC as a botnet, search the PC straight away for the private key in wallet files and clean them out!
 


You guys must not have been involved or remember the online poker days. Just go and do a search for "Neteller account disabled"

I was big in the online poker scene during its heyday's. We would tsf money from our bank to a neteller account and then to the online casino. Do you know how they killed online poker in America? An infant industry that was doing billions and billions of dollars? The killed the "exchanges" They froze accounts. It didn't matter if you had a $100 or $1,000,000 your account was locked out. You couldn't get money in or out. The .gov seized that money. Any you were fucked.

These boys have done it before and don't think they wont do it again. Who knows they may let it go for 3 years or maybe 10 years. But at some point the .gov is going to draw a line in the sand and you will be sitting there with your dick in your hand.

So if it's hard to get your money out now, how hard will it be when the .gov gets involved?
 
I have zero clue on the timing. But I can 100% guarantee that anyone that comes into this at this stage and buys now, will see the value of BTC be significantly less than it is today.

And those people that buy at the peak always want out when the prices come down. And at that point they will have lost money. In the coming weeks to months I can guarantee you will hear guys crying about how they lost money in BTC.


EDIT: Very Short term BTC will continue to increase due to the criminal bankers (why you could get raped for shorting right now, if you could ) being under the spotlight. Once the media stops focusing on them is when the freefall starts

just hit $110

Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin - The CIO Report - WSJ

If something like this happens. It aint gunna go anywhere anytime soon. All it will take is a few major players to accept it and it will stick around longer. But yea sure, people can always lose money with new things.
 
You guys must not have been involved or remember the online poker days. Just go and do a search for "Neteller account disabled"

I was big in the online poker scene during its heyday's. We would tsf money from our bank to a neteller account and then to the online casino. Do you know how they killed online poker in America? An infant industry that was doing billions and billions of dollars? The killed the "exchanges" They froze accounts. It didn't matter if you had a $100 or $1,000,000 your account was locked out. You couldn't get money in or out. The .gov seized that money. Any you were fucked.

These boys have done it before and don't think they wont do it again. Who knows they may let it go for 3 years or maybe 10 years. But at some point the .gov is going to draw a line in the sand and you will be sitting there with your dick in your hand.

So if it's hard to get your money out now, how hard will it be when the .gov gets involved?

also RIP ePassporte
 
Why is it hard to sell large amounts of BTC? Can you not transfer to Mt Gox and sell there.

I got a small amount a few days ago from a WF member to actually buy stuff, my mind was full of fuck when my real transaction actually went through, paid for by BTC! I've been reading the technical details since, I can see why people are hooked on this idea. I can't get any work done since, it's just so interesting.

It isn't hard to sell large amount of BTC, it is hard trying to get that cash out and into your bank account. Everything is limited. Using Mt.Gox will take you 1 year to cash out $6m. Sure thats not a problem for most people but its a pretty big fucking problem.
 
$105 and no disasters... I'm actually surprised there wasn't a big selloff today after it hit $100.

If it doesn't lose 25% in the next week, I'm calling it for $1,000 by later this year.
Is that what the same crystal ball that said Ron Paul would win told you?
 

Yes, really.

From your link:

BI —"The Bitcoin ATM page is extremely vague and says it's seeking investors/partners, which means there's no actual product yet.” JB — Yes, the page is a work in progress but just because we are seeking investors/partners doesn’t mean there is no actual product. We have the product ready and we may actually install one asap in Los Angeles (where our operations are) just to show the world it works.


In other words - there is no bitcoin ATM in Cyprus, or anywhere else in the world. They have a good idea and they're looking for funding, but as of right now there are no bitcoin ATM's, which is not what the original story inferred. That's all I'm saying.



I expect there will be something soon but I was just pointing out that the rumors of a bitcoin ATM in Cyprus was bullshit.
 
Bitcoin miner anyone?
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Huuuuuge waiting list but still, worth a gamble?
Now more than ever, I'd say no.

The latest attack of the BFL Drama Lama:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.0

Cliffs:

A respected bitcoin Dev in Oz says he received the first unit yesterday and showed pictures... Of it still in Kansas. When questioned about the timing and how it couldn't have possibly been a 1-day shipping job on Easter from Kansas to Oz, he admitted that he never received it, but somehow he flew to Kansas recently to test it there and then left his unit there. :thumbsup:



I was hoping LukeP might let me have some of his on loan.
Now why on earth would I want to do that?? I'd basically have a 75% chance of losing money:

Outcome 1: Bitcoin goes down. - I'd likely get back less value than I loaned out.
Ouctome 2: You run off with the money - I'd get back zero.
Outcome 3: Bitcoin goes up a bit - The only win scenario for me, I'd get back X BTC in interest plus the appreciated coins.
Outcome 4: Bitcoin goes way up - While you held it, tying up my cash for that now-too-low X BTC in interest!

Of course I could charge a lot in interest but then I'd be pumping up the likelihood of outcome #2!

I don't wanna be a loan shark... But there are options for you sir.


I have zero clue on the timing. But I can 100% guarantee that anyone that comes into this at this stage and buys now, will see the value of BTC be significantly less than it is today.
A 100% Guarantee, huh? Wow, that's pretty rare in this day and age. Can I get that in writing kind sir?

Are you simply not buying any of the arguments that even at $1,000 per bitcoin it's waaaaay undercapitalized?

Did you read the Falkvinge post saying it will grow to between $10K and a $Million? I've seen others give other mathematical reasons to show it will grow to at least $10k... So I have to wonder now what the reasons are for it to NOT grow to $10k a bitcoin.


Once the media stops focusing on them is when the freefall starts
I'm sure it could fall a bit, but freefall?

In case you haven't noticed, there isn't a very long wait between news about evil governments stealing from their people these days.



I'm liking the idea more and more of bitcoin; though I do understand it relies entirely on the internet and if the internet vanished, your basically fucked. Best bet is to diversify.
"If the internet vanished" I think we might have bigger fish to fry.

I'm certainly not against diversifying your schiznit, but I don't see how the argument of the vanishing internet can be said in public with a straight face. Don't forget, the One Laptop Per Child movement has been popularizing mesh networking for years now; we're really only one wifi spec away from having the ability to do away with all ISPs in any big city worldwide... At that point the only thing that could take out the internet is global nuclear warfare.


Do you know how they killed online poker in America? An infant industry that was doing billions and billions of dollars? The killed the "exchanges" They froze accounts. It didn't matter if you had a $100 or $1,000,000 your account was locked out. You couldn't get money in or out. The .gov seized that money. Any you were fucked.
First of all, leaving it in the bitcoin economy instead of cashing out IS WHAT ALL LIBERTARIANS ULTIMATELY WANT.

Never forget that... We want to be able to Ignore the Feds and central banks and have a truly free market. That's what bitcoin offers all humanity.

But because we know that not everyone is anti-state enough to think like this, there still exists many other ways to cash out for bitcoin holders. I could name at least 10 that exist right now.

Sure, it won't be as convenient as with the major exchanges still in place, but it's a good safety net nonetheless, and the economy to buy those coins from these scaredycats is always going to be there from the libertarians, black marketeers, and others who are starting to depend on bitcoin for it's unique properties.


These boys have done it before and don't think they wont do it again. Who knows they may let it go for 3 years or maybe 10 years. But at some point the .gov is going to draw a line in the sand and you will be sitting there with your dick in your hand.

So if it's hard to get your money out now, how hard will it be when the .gov gets involved?
No harder than Prohibition was to overturn, I'm sure.

Everyone knows that alcohol is bad for you, yet we didn't let the government keep that away from us... With Bitcoins it'll be easier because everyone knows that Bitcoins are GOOD for us, and the government will look like the bad guy to even the most sheeply of sheeple if they try... There will be no excuses of "we're just trying to help" this time, excepting only the claim that it's to fight terrorism, which we all already know it's not.

(Just the image of Afgahnis in caves sending bitcoins to each other is hilarious... It'll be the worlds most popular meme the same day that uncle sam uses terrorism as an excuse to meddle with bitcoins.)


LOL; WU wouldn't get a single libertarian behind it... Not one... That'd fail so miserably it's laughable... Especially since it can't be trusted by anyone if it's not open source, and you know it won't be.



Using Mt.Gox will take you 1 year to cash out $6m. Sure thats not a problem for most people but its a pretty big fucking problem.
We just passed the $1 Billion Cap recently, give it some time... I'm sure in a year it wouldn't be a problem anymore.



Why would you put cash into an ATM machine just to turn it into BTC?? Am I missing something here.
Well so far the biggest barrier to entry (by a wide margin) with bitcoins has been buying them. This feature is DESPERATELY needed, and will be needed more and more as there are more things to buy with bitcoin.

If anything you want to draw out cash on your BTC balance. Is that going to be possible?
Yes, that ATM can do that too, as you would have known if you clicked through.

But again, the hope of bitcoin is to be able to stop using nationalized money altogether. We may never get all the way there without a full revolution, but that is the drive behind it.


Is that what the same crystal ball that said Ron Paul would win told you?
I never predicted such a thing, moron child.

Don't you have some objects to be moving with your telekinesis?


I expect there will be something soon but I was just pointing out that the rumors of a bitcoin ATM in Cyprus was bullshit.
I saw no rumors, I only saw his press release and it had no bullshit in it.

Sure it was timed to gain interest in the Cyprus news wave, but until he puts a bunch of ATMs elsewhere, or fails to deliver any at all, he's telling the truth.
 
Now more than ever, I'd say no.

The latest attack of the BFL Drama Lama:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.0

Cliffs:

A respected bitcoin Dev in Oz says he received the first unit yesterday and showed pictures... Of it still in Kansas. When questioned about the timing and how it couldn't have possibly been a 1-day shipping job on Easter from Kansas to Oz, he admitted that he never received it, but somehow he flew to Kansas recently to test it there and then left his unit there. :thumbsup:




Now why on earth would I want to do that?? I'd basically have a 75% chance of losing money:

Outcome 1: Bitcoin goes down. - I'd likely get back less value than I loaned out.
Ouctome 2: You run off with the money - I'd get back zero.
Outcome 3: Bitcoin goes up a bit - The only win scenario for me, I'd get back X BTC in interest plus the appreciated coins.
Outcome 4: Bitcoin goes way up - While you held it, tying up my cash for that now-too-low X BTC in interest!

Of course I could charge a lot in interest but then I'd be pumping up the likelihood of outcome #2!

I don't wanna be a loan shark... But there are options for you sir.



A 100% Guarantee, huh? Wow, that's pretty rare in this day and age. Can I get that in writing kind sir?

Are you simply not buying any of the arguments that even at $1,000 per bitcoin it's waaaaay undercapitalized?

Did you read the Falkvinge post saying it will grow to between $10K and a $Million? I've seen others give other mathematical reasons to show it will grow to at least $10k... So I have to wonder now what the reasons are for it to NOT grow to $10k a bitcoin.



I'm sure it could fall a bit, but freefall?

In case you haven't noticed, there isn't a very long wait between news about evil governments stealing from their people these days.




"If the internet vanished" I think we might have bigger fish to fry.

I'm certainly not against diversifying your schiznit, but I don't see how the argument of the vanishing internet can be said in public with a straight face. Don't forget, the One Laptop Per Child movement has been popularizing mesh networking for years now; we're really only one wifi spec away from having the ability to do away with all ISPs in any big city worldwide... At that point the only thing that could take out the internet is global nuclear warfare.



First of all, leaving it in the bitcoin economy instead of cashing out IS WHAT ALL LIBERTARIANS ULTIMATELY WANT.

Never forget that... We want to be able to Ignore the Feds and central banks and have a truly free market. That's what bitcoin offers all humanity.

But because we know that not everyone is anti-state enough to think like this, there still exists many other ways to cash out for bitcoin holders. I could name at least 10 that exist right now.

Sure, it won't be as convenient as with the major exchanges still in place, but it's a good safety net nonetheless, and the economy to buy those coins from these scaredycats is always going to be there from the libertarians, black marketeers, and others who are starting to depend on bitcoin for it's unique properties.



No harder than Prohibition was to overturn, I'm sure.

Everyone knows that alcohol is bad for you, yet we didn't let the government keep that away from us... With Bitcoins it'll be easier because everyone knows that Bitcoins are GOOD for us, and the government will look like the bad guy to even the most sheeply of sheeple if they try... There will be no excuses of "we're just trying to help" this time, excepting only the claim that it's to fight terrorism, which we all already know it's not.

(Just the image of Afgahnis in caves sending bitcoins to each other is hilarious... It'll be the worlds most popular meme the same day that uncle sam uses terrorism as an excuse to meddle with bitcoins.)



LOL; WU wouldn't get a single libertarian behind it... Not one... That'd fail so miserably it's laughable... Especially since it can't be trusted by anyone if it's not open source, and you know it won't be.




We just passed the $1 Billion Cap recently, give it some time... I'm sure in a year it wouldn't be a problem anymore.




Well so far the biggest barrier to entry (by a wide margin) with bitcoins has been buying them. This feature is DESPERATELY needed, and will be needed more and more as there are more things to buy with bitcoin.

Yes, that ATM can do that too, as you would have known if you clicked through.

But again, the hope of bitcoin is to be able to stop using nationalized money altogether. We may never get all the way there without a full revolution, but that is the drive behind it.



I never predicted such a thing, moron child.

Don't you have some objects to be moving with your telekinesis?



I saw no rumors, I only saw his press release and it had no bullshit in it.

Sure it was timed to gain interest in the Cyprus news wave, but until he puts a bunch of ATMs elsewhere, or fails to deliver any at all, he's telling the truth.

Don't make me fucking dig through 1000 posts just to call you out, you fucking quack.
 
Now more than ever, I'd say no.

The latest attack of the BFL Drama Lama:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.0

Cliffs:

A respected bitcoin Dev in Oz says he received the first unit yesterday and showed pictures... Of it still in Kansas. When questioned about the timing and how it couldn't have possibly been a 1-day shipping job on Easter from Kansas to Oz, he admitted that he never received it, but somehow he flew to Kansas recently to test it there and then left his unit there. :thumbsup:




Now why on earth would I want to do that?? I'd basically have a 75% chance of losing money:

Outcome 1: Bitcoin goes down. - I'd likely get back less value than I loaned out.
Ouctome 2: You run off with the money - I'd get back zero.
Outcome 3: Bitcoin goes up a bit - The only win scenario for me, I'd get back X BTC in interest plus the appreciated coins.
Outcome 4: Bitcoin goes way up - While you held it, tying up my cash for that now-too-low X BTC in interest!

Of course I could charge a lot in interest but then I'd be pumping up the likelihood of outcome #2!

I don't wanna be a loan shark... But there are options for you sir.



A 100% Guarantee, huh? Wow, that's pretty rare in this day and age. Can I get that in writing kind sir?

Are you simply not buying any of the arguments that even at $1,000 per bitcoin it's waaaaay undercapitalized?

Did you read the Falkvinge post saying it will grow to between $10K and a $Million? I've seen others give other mathematical reasons to show it will grow to at least $10k... So I have to wonder now what the reasons are for it to NOT grow to $10k a bitcoin.



I'm sure it could fall a bit, but freefall?

In case you haven't noticed, there isn't a very long wait between news about evil governments stealing from their people these days.




"If the internet vanished" I think we might have bigger fish to fry.

I'm certainly not against diversifying your schiznit, but I don't see how the argument of the vanishing internet can be said in public with a straight face. Don't forget, the One Laptop Per Child movement has been popularizing mesh networking for years now; we're really only one wifi spec away from having the ability to do away with all ISPs in any big city worldwide... At that point the only thing that could take out the internet is global nuclear warfare.



First of all, leaving it in the bitcoin economy instead of cashing out IS WHAT ALL LIBERTARIANS ULTIMATELY WANT.

Never forget that... We want to be able to Ignore the Feds and central banks and have a truly free market. That's what bitcoin offers all humanity.

But because we know that not everyone is anti-state enough to think like this, there still exists many other ways to cash out for bitcoin holders. I could name at least 10 that exist right now.

Sure, it won't be as convenient as with the major exchanges still in place, but it's a good safety net nonetheless, and the economy to buy those coins from these scaredycats is always going to be there from the libertarians, black marketeers, and others who are starting to depend on bitcoin for it's unique properties.



No harder than Prohibition was to overturn, I'm sure.

Everyone knows that alcohol is bad for you, yet we didn't let the government keep that away from us... With Bitcoins it'll be easier because everyone knows that Bitcoins are GOOD for us, and the government will look like the bad guy to even the most sheeply of sheeple if they try... There will be no excuses of "we're just trying to help" this time, excepting only the claim that it's to fight terrorism, which we all already know it's not.

(Just the image of Afgahnis in caves sending bitcoins to each other is hilarious... It'll be the worlds most popular meme the same day that uncle sam uses terrorism as an excuse to meddle with bitcoins.)



LOL; WU wouldn't get a single libertarian behind it... Not one... That'd fail so miserably it's laughable... Especially since it can't be trusted by anyone if it's not open source, and you know it won't be.




We just passed the $1 Billion Cap recently, give it some time... I'm sure in a year it wouldn't be a problem anymore.




Well so far the biggest barrier to entry (by a wide margin) with bitcoins has been buying them. This feature is DESPERATELY needed, and will be needed more and more as there are more things to buy with bitcoin.

Yes, that ATM can do that too, as you would have known if you clicked through.

But again, the hope of bitcoin is to be able to stop using nationalized money altogether. We may never get all the way there without a full revolution, but that is the drive behind it.



I never predicted such a thing, moron child.

Don't you have some objects to be moving with your telekinesis?



I saw no rumors, I only saw his press release and it had no bullshit in it.

Sure it was timed to gain interest in the Cyprus news wave, but until he puts a bunch of ATMs elsewhere, or fails to deliver any at all, he's telling the truth.

What in your opinion do you think poses the biggest threat to Bitcoin, in both the short and long term? You seem very confident in the whole Bitcoin movement but you must have doubts.
 
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LukeP holla at me on the *LOW* if you want me to show you how to mine bitcoins efficiently.
 
Don't make me fucking dig through 1000 posts just to call you out, you fucking quack.
I promoted the hell out of him of course, back when I thought politics held a possible answer, but since I didn't join WF until 2010, I couldn't have possibly said he'll "win." The 2008 election cycle taught me about the 1-party system we have controlled by the media.

Edit: If, by 'mine bitcoins efficiently" you mean that it has anything to do with theft, feel free to PM Grindstone.
 
I promoted the hell out of him of course, back when I thought politics held a possible answer, but since I didn't join WF until 2010, I couldn't have possibly said he'll "win." The 2008 election cycle taught me about the 1-party system we have controlled by the media.

Edit: If, by 'mine bitcoins efficiently" you mean that it has anything to do with theft, feel free to PM Grindstone.
Don't be coy, you know exactly what election I'm referring to.

No theft, :2twocents: up for mining :)! You have to promise me to keep your mouth shut tighter than the head of a drum though.
 
A 100% Guarantee, huh? Wow, that's pretty rare in this day and age. Can I get that in writing kind sir?

It has already happened. The price went down between the time I wrote that and you replied so I have already been proven right (before it went back up ;)

The point I have been making is that nothing goes straight up with out a few correction's along the way. I am refering more to the weak stomach bandwagon buyers. I am talking to the guy's that bought based on this thread. The guys that buy on hype and then the first sign of trouble they sell and loose money. It's human nature and happens all the time. Every single day. I am talking to the guys that cant afford to loose. The gamblers. Do not confuse this with guys like you that are in it for the long haul. Over the long haul I am all for BTC and what it stands for.

Are you simply not buying any of the arguments that even at $1,000 per bitcoin it's waaaaay undercapitalized?
no I actually believe it has the potential to go well beyond $1,000 and potentially to that magic million $ mark. I would love to see nothing more. But its dangerous for people to think the value can only go in one direction. History is riddled with "sure things", that cost people everything.

Did you read the Falkvinge post saying it will grow to between $10K and a $Million? I've seen others give other mathematical reasons to show it will grow to at least $10k... So I have to wonder now what the reasons are for it to NOT grow to $10k a bitcoin.

Not yet but I will take a look.

I'm sure it could fall a bit, but freefall?

In case you haven't noticed, there isn't a very long wait between news about evil governments stealing from their people these days.

If something can skyrocket, it can fall just as fast. BTC is proof of that.

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As BTC matures you will see more of these corrections. As I said for someone that is in it for the long haul it doesn't matter. The long term buyer is going to see this as a buying opportunity. But the short term gambler that is driving the price right now will exit on those correction's loosing money. This cant be argued it happens all the time.

"If the internet vanished" I think we might have bigger fish to fry.

I'm certainly not against diversifying your schiznit, but I don't see how the argument of the vanishing internet can be said in public with a straight face. Don't forget, the One Laptop Per Child movement has been popularizing mesh networking for years now; we're really only one wifi spec away from having the ability to do away with all ISPs in any big city worldwide... At that point the only thing that could take out the internet is global nuclear warfare.
I agree here. What I am thinking is for short time outages. You know when you need money the most (emergencies). As to the mesh networking, I cant wait. The day it's greatly realized will be a glorious day for everyone(but the .gov), but its still away's off.

First of all, leaving it in the bitcoin economy instead of cashing out IS WHAT ALL LIBERTARIANS ULTIMATELY WANT.

Never forget that... We want to be able to Ignore the Feds and central banks and have a truly free market. That's what bitcoin offers all humanity.

We may ultimately want this, but its far from being a reality. BTC simply doesn't work like this. Until you can use BTC in real time, right here right now it will simply play second fiddle to the Feds. Maybe if you never leave your house. But even then it would be nothing but a pipe dream to live solely in a BTC economy. At some point if you want to live your life you will need to exit the BTC economy. How else are you going to pay the world?
But because we know that not everyone is anti-state enough to think like this, there still exists many other ways to cash out for bitcoin holders. I could name at least 10 that exist right now.

Sure, it won't be as convenient as with the major exchanges still in place, but it's a good safety net nonetheless, and the economy to buy those coins from these scaredycats is always going to be there from the libertarians, black marketeers, and others who are starting to depend on bitcoin for it's unique properties.

But to truly be legitimate you shouldn't have to leave the BTC economy. The simple fact that its a necessary reality will stop the majority from truly accepting BTC

No harder than Prohibition was to overturn, I'm sure.

Everyone knows that alcohol is bad for you, yet we didn't let the government keep that away from us... With Bitcoins it'll be easier because everyone knows that Bitcoins are GOOD for us, and the government will look like the bad guy to even the most sheeply of sheeple if they try... There will be no excuses of "we're just trying to help" this time, excepting only the claim that it's to fight terrorism, which we all already know it's not.

(Just the image of Afgahnis in caves sending bitcoins to each other is hilarious... It'll be the worlds most popular meme the same day that uncle sam uses terrorism as an excuse to meddle with bitcoins.)



LOL; WU wouldn't get a single libertarian behind it... Not one... That'd fail so miserably it's laughable... Especially since it can't be trusted by anyone if it's not open source, and you know it won't be.




We just passed the $1 Billion Cap recently, give it some time... I'm sure in a year it wouldn't be a problem anymore.




Well so far the biggest barrier to entry (by a wide margin) with bitcoins has been buying them. This feature is DESPERATELY needed, and will be needed more and more as there are more things to buy with bitcoin.

Yes, that ATM can do that too, as you would have known if you clicked through.

But again, the hope of bitcoin is to be able to stop using nationalized money altogether. We may never get all the way there without a full revolution, but that is the drive behind it.



I never predicted such a thing, moron child.

Don't you have some objects to be moving with your telekinesis?



I saw no rumors, I only saw his press release and it had no bullshit in it.

Sure it was timed to gain interest in the Cyprus news wave, but until he puts a bunch of ATMs elsewhere, or fails to deliver any at all, he's telling the truth.


to be continued....
 
Why would you put cash into an ATM machine just to turn it into BTC?? Am I missing something here.
If anything you want to draw out cash on your BTC balance. Is that going to be possible?


You are thinking about it the wrong way.

1) Family elsewhere sends you BTC cause the banks are closed or limiting assets.
2) You withdraw that BTC converting it into cash.
3) ???
4) Your family doesn't die starving in the streets.