Beware of Chris Lingle

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Jon said:
This is the internet.

It's easy to talk a big game without ever showing much proof, if any. He was called out months ago though for having faked his own stats or copying someone else's and saying it was his. I forget. But as soon as people started giving him shit about it, that's when he pulled the "well I'm not in the right state of mind because I just found out I have cancer" card. But magically, by Vegas he was cured and since then has never shown any signs of ever having it or speaking of it. A lot of guys here have met up with him since then, and I think that was one of the fishy topics they were starting to question about him. Still though, there is no proof he didn't have it, but even less that he ever did.

I was speaking to Lerch and Engaged about this earlier because they were the ones who found it all out, but also the ones directly effected by it, as they were the closest to him. It's not like they just found this all out and that's the end of it. He also stole something around $50k worth of affiliate earnings that they generated with him. So here they lost trust in a partner, a friend, and also some cash to boot. Not to mention had this happened at a later date, they may have also been labeled as scammers if they were tied to him for much longer and someone else caught wind of it before them. It's just another business lesson, it happens. This time around I think this whole thing will make people a lot more wary of who they do business with and get things in writing first.

My theory for all of this is that he liked being in the spotlight of that person that helped others and didn't ask for anything in return. It's the celebrity status that the internet brings when you put out good advice or tutorials.

When the storm calmed from that, he started voicing his disrespect and disgust for Shoemoney, which of course draw a crowd and some new fans and friends. He liked being that tough guy that didn't give a shit about anything, and being that type of bully made him realize that you can use other people's popularity to your benefit. Which brings this back to me and WF. When he orchestrated and really riled up the crowd to hate me for just about everything he could think of, all the while talking to me on the phone and telling me it was everyone else doing it, and that he was fighting for me. By going after me, and my forum, and Shoemoney he probably felt untouchable, as if he could just discredit everyone that may or may not be able to bring up any of his old threads on other forums, this way, we would be assumed to be liars, and he would of course be praised and no one would believe us. It's a very clever tactic, and he did a great job at it, but he forgot one of the biggest drawbacks... himself.

The reason he was called out so quickly is because he got drunk and told Lerch about his trust fund. Kind of ironic how the one thing he didn't have control over, and the most important thing too, was himself. He had also made some pretty outrageous claims to other people when he was drunk that were just plain dumb. I guess it was only a matter of time until he fucked up enough to ruin his sick and twisted master plan. I also think the reason he went to such great lengths to do this was that it didn't start out as a business thing, but spiralled into one as he got more and more greedy, and closer to actually doing what he was telling people he did, and able to make what he hoped he'd one day do. Unfortunately for him, it was built on lies, and just came crashing down in the end.
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I feel like a total shmuck for not seeing through his shit.

As smart assed and dick headed as Chris could be, I always had a respect for him, he helped me out with my first full fledged affiliate campaign along with a couple other things. I just never saw it, though I guess I wasn't really looking for it, nor did I deal with him on the level that Lerch and Engaged did.

Its a fucking shame man, I almost feel sorry for him, for being such a sorry individual.
 
I don't see why he should lie about all that shit, at the moment I am pulling in zero dollars and I am a minor, probably not the best things to say on a public board, but I don't want to get any sort of partnerships ruined because of my lies.

+ anybody lieing about a terminal illness or there earnings (because this online thing is built on trust) should die in hell and get ass raped
 
On HOUSE tonight Dr. House faked cancer, but he just wanted some drugs. Poor House.
 
I am going to touch on a few things here.

1) It is a little after the fact, but I will drop some wisdom. I have literally been online longer than most people on Wickedfire have been alive I suspect. I got my first 300 baud modem back in 1981 on my TRS 80 color computer. One thing has never changed in all this time. People online are full of shit. I have literally lived through decades of people lying about themselves online, and lived through seeing people believing other people. I also people get way to close or putting to much trust into people just because of bbs posts, forum posts and the rest. There is a psychology and mindset that seems to plague forums especially where people provide way too much trust and acceptance in people whom they only trade messages with online. It is scary. I could dig out a recent example where the owners of a very well-established forum (not website related at all), bent over backwards to defend a guy who was CLEARLY a criminal and ripping off his family and everyone else. Yet because these people had shared messages with him for several years online, they were willing to take a bullet for him, even though they really did not know him.

It is easy for people to hide their faults and deceive online. A real interface is much more difficult to face and body language a difficult monster to master. I know many of you met Chris in person, but is it any surprise that all this came out not long after many of you met each other for the first time?

Simply put, you have to be more guarded and wary of people whom you only know from exchanging messages with them. You don't actually know them, and like I said, people have ALWAYS lied about themselves online, virtually from the first second two people got online and talked to one another. Be more cautious.

2) I don't know that Chris' partaking in submitting websites to directories is an indication of anything. I know I personally have been working hard to make my existence online something. You could probably find me taking some minimal article writing jobs and even paid forum postings as little as 6 months ago. Yet I make a ridiculous amount of money now with affiliate marketing. That being said if he was scamming people with that stuff, well enough said.

3) If he did lie about having cancer, I hope he gets cancer. Can't say much more about that.

4) My second biggest issue is if he ripped people off for money. That is simply a scum bag move, a few steps behind lying about having cancer.

I don't know if any of this is true, from my perspective Chris seemed to have some knowledge about what he was doing, enough so that I don't believe he had no idea how to make any more with affiliate marketing. Was he lying about how much he makes? Who cares. I assume everyone here and elsewhere lies about that. That is why I am pretty outspoken about not asking people about it, nor thinking it is terribly important.

5) The reality is that some people here did benefit from some of the things Chris shared here. That is fine, by the way. As I mentioned above, what someone actually makes is not relevant to me. If what they are saying makes sense, it can be worthwhile irregardless if they have ever actually made a dollar. So people who did benefit in some way from some of the Chris threads, there is no need to feel bad or feel duped. It is what it is.

6) I am not terribly surprised. When all the grade school drama broke out here, it really made no sense. People all over the place were behaving amazingly immature and irrationally. None of it made sense to me to be honest. So I threw in a few cents and just ignored it for the most part, because it seemed silly and had nothing to do with why I visit Wickedfire. Seeing as how some people apparently had other interests to protect when they sparked all the "riots", like I said I am not surprised.

7) Live and learn folks. It is okay to question the motivation of people you don't really know that well. My circle of trust is extremely small in my life, and that comes from experience. You can't just trust someone because you think they sound cool from an internet message board. That is insane.

8) Can we drop the drama for like a month or two at least. 2007 has been one big drama-fest at Wicked Fire.
 
aeiouy said:
7) Live and learn folks. It is okay to question the motivation of people you don't really know that well. My circle of trust is extremely small in my life, and that comes from experience. You can't just trust someone because you think they sound cool from an internet message board. That is insane.
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it seemed like WF was one big happy but disfunctional family. i i think things have definately changed now and people are already more cautious and guarded.
 
I have a confession...

For the longest time I was sure that Chrislingle WAS Jon. I figured it was his alter-ego so he could be a real jackass to people that annoyed him. I finally figured Chrislingle was real when people met him at that last event =)

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I also benefited from Chrislingle's posts. And except for his totali-publican politics I thought he was useful to WF, probably 2nd only to Jon for providing helpful and informative posts.

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Lastly... lying and being a jackass are our god-given rights. I vote for cutting the guy some slack. Of course fraud is a different issue - but this isn't the place to dispense justice. Just my 2 cents... but I think his personal information should be removed from this thread.
 
Karnul said:
Lastly... lying and being a jackass are our god-given rights. I vote for cutting the guy some slack. Of course fraud is a different issue - but this isn't the place to dispense justice. Just my 2 cents... but I think his personal information should be removed from this thread.
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If he committed fraud to people from other forums then maybe we might, but he committed fraud to some of our own. Plus he lied about having cancer, I think that is just downright fucking wrong. The dude is a bum, he lives off his trust fund and lies to people and steals money, cutting slack to that type of person just cannot be done.
 
aejouy said:
6) I am not terribly surprised.
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Me either.

Karnul said:
For the longest time I was sure that Chrislingle WAS Jon. I figured it was his alter-ego so he could be a real jackass to people that annoyed him. I finally figured Chrislingle was real when people met him at that last event =)
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lingle appeared after sidekick vanished..so I always thought he was sidekick coming back to reinvent himself...since he was just as annoying without all those smileys.
 
aeiouy said:
I am going to touch on a few things here...
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very good post. we might be the same age, because at 36 i am online longer than quite some of the readers here are alive on this planet ;) (does this makes me the forum grandpa?).

my 2 items:

a) take his personal information offline. if he is guilty, sue him, but lets not turn this into a witchhunt because if shit hits the fan everybody is gonna get dirty.

b) the whole story about his "fame" was imho always a false perception of the community. all the greatness of the arbi- and affiliate posts came from the contributions of the whole community but not so much from him. sure, it was him who started those threads but then everybody joined in and made this the great posts everybody remembers.

last but not least (yeah this makes it 3 items): lets start it all over again and do the arbi and affiliate thread again.
 
E-book for sale!

"Chris Lingle's Guide to Betrayal: How to Lie, Cheat, and Steal".

Plus, if you order now, I'll throw in the bonus chapter entitled "Lying about Cancer".

Only $99.95.

I only have 500 copies available, so act fast before my download page runs out of ink.
 
i fucking miss sidekick. he is a symbol of everything whimsical, innocent and good.

money is a perfect test of ethics because its quantifiable... in this case we reach 50k on the greasy meter. it's strange to hear that there was a bandit mentality there all along (ie. "i have to take from others to gain" instead of "we can mutually gain in our endeavors") when his posts were preaching selfless contribution. its major bs but engaged and lerch know their shit so they will snap back quick. lingle is the one that is really getting fucked because he ruined what could have been a lasting business relationship that could have made waaaay more than 50k in the end.

lingle's posts helped people here because he communicated with alot of passion, even if (in retrospect) it's like a certain motivational speaker that lived in a van down by the river. :rasta:

thanks chris. fraud or not, you help to get me off my ass and do something.
 
dealasite said:
man, that sucks to hear... His arbi post was the most information-packed, influential tutorial I've ever read on the subject, and I'm making a lot of money because of it.
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You have my curiosity.

Does anyone have a copy of this post that can be PMed to me? If people make money from it, then what the hell...

thanks
 
ScottDaMan said:
Does anyone have a copy of this post that can be PMed to me? If people make money from it, then what the hell...
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All the info you need is floating around in other posts here already.
There is no magic money making secret!

About chris lingle. I never really liked that guy. And when he was kind enough to help me over PM, he gave bullshit info anway. He didn't really know what he was talking about. Like he had never used the adwords tool.
 
This is a fairly sick, sordid turn of events.

Why don't we just move on and focus on something positive, rather than waste our time on this thread.

The Internet is filled with sham artists and hucksters aplenty, we needn't waste too much of our time discussing them.,
 
Chrislingle was something else... :) There are no excuses for lying and scamming people. The one positive thing I can say about him now that we know all this is that he did teach me a lot about arbi and got me started making money with it. But then again, if he hadn't someone else here on WF would have.

andrew wee; I thought you were one of the banned members who abandoned ship a while back. Haven't seen you post in ages. :)
 
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