Assange Is Fucked

[Moxxy]

I'm sure Hellblazer will be the first to click but if anyone actually gives a shit about supporting Assange you can add a vote here:

Wikileaks - urging the Australian Govt. to not bow to US pressure to criminalise the organisation.

GetUp is probably the most effective lobby group in Australia. I don't know what they can acheive but our PM had a handful of shit today after mouthing off about illegal wikileaks activity then couldn't actually name a crime that had been committed. I wouldn't mind if she got a 2nd helping.

 

[Rexibit]

I think it was to highlight how useless the list actually is:

‘Critical infrastructure’ = hysterical reaction | Crikey

That blog post is so true.

Best 3 paragraphs that sums it all up:

In short, it’s a fair bet there’s virtually nothing on the list that isn’t accessible by anyone with access to Google and, in the case of more specific industry information, the willingness to spend some time in industry-related chatrooms. After all, the request specifically said that State Department officials didn’t have to consult with host governments. The response to the previous request has “tick-and-flick” all over it.


One of the main charges levelled against much of the mainstream media, especially in the US, over its response to WikiLeaks is that its coverage has been tainted by resentment: resentment, especially, that it is WikiLeaks that has started playing the role of watchdog vacated by the press. Much of the mainstream media has, the charge goes, become too close to governments, too uncritical, with too many interests in common with the politicians and the political culture they should be holding up to scrutiny.


The charge may not be correct but the reaction to this cable, where the press and governments are united in condemnation, looks an awful lot like it. Or perhaps it’s just the incapacity of our media to display the slightest scepticism when it comes to anything touching on national security.

 

[lukep]

I think the most interesting question on this thread is the one by Advive/Tangy:

"If you came across let's say North Korean secrets and posted them online, do you think you should be extradited as an American citizen to face their courts?"

That's a devastating question to the US defense... Just like how Oz's PM can't name a crime that Assange has committed.

Seems to me the man didn't break the law... Perhaps we should change some laws so this shit doesn't happen again?

 

[vishnu]

If he might have truly committed a sin..an arrest warrant must be issued and should be caught..first thing had been issued waiting for the second one...

 

[nickster]

For all of you propagandaists who believe the rhetoric that wikileaks has put lives in danger do you realize that the information that has been posted is directly accessible by 3 million people?? And that's in its uncensored version (Wikileaks censored names out to protect people). Do you realize that 3 million people represents 1% of the whole US population? Thats one out of every hundred people in the US have direct access to this "highly classified" information. And you think that "the enemy" don't have all this information (uncensored) already? If you do then you are a complete moron!

This is a witch hunt of the worst kind and shows the US government up to be the bully boys they really are.

 

[nickster]

Very interesting article on Wired.com about how this is actually a good thing for the US Why WikiLeaks Is Good for America | Threat Level | Wired.com

 

[Ar Scion]

For all of you propagandaists who believe the rhetoric that wikileaks has put lives in danger do you realize that the information that has been posted is directly accessible by 3 million people?? And that's in its uncensored version (Wikileaks censored names out to protect people). Do you realize that 3 million people represents 1% of the whole US population? Thats one out of every hundred people in the US have direct access to this "highly classified" information. And you think that "the enemy" don't have all this information (uncensored) already? If you do then you are a complete moron!

This is a witch hunt of the worst kind and shows the US government up to be the bully boys they really are.

So because (1% of americans) .0005% of the world has access to this information, 100% should have access?

That 99.9995% is a pretty big jump. Let's try a smaller jump.

You have 100% access to your bank account information, email, passwords, etc. Make it 50% by emailing me all relevant information.

You should be able to do this quickly and easily, since you are not a moron.

 

[nickster]

So because (1% of americans) .0005% of the world has access to this information, 100% should have access?

That 99.9995% is a pretty big jump. Let's try a smaller jump.

You have 100% access to your bank account information, email, passwords, etc. Make it 50% by emailing me all relevant information.

You should be able to do this quickly and easily, since you are not a moron.

What a stupid comment.

My point is that if 1% of the whole of the US have direct access to this information do you think that it is not already in the hands of the enemy? There is no way that there is not one foreign spy or agent within that 3 million people.

As for my bank account it is no ones business but me as it effects no ones life but mine. However the duplicitous way the governments in the world act is EVERYBODY'S business.

Do you not find it quite strange that when anyone attacks the policies of the US government you get attacked by people saying that you are anti-american and a US hater, but it is not the US, nor the people of the US that are being attacked but it is the policies of the money grabbing power brokers that also cheat and lie to the US people that are being attacked. Try the same in the UK or other nations who firmly believe that their government are a bunch of lying bastards who need to be held accountable. The difference is that we have a true free press who report on international issues of importance, not just dumbed down and censored press like the US currently has. And if anyone tries to criticize from the inside they get called "commies", un-american and libtards.

Wake up guys and start to question everything. No one has the right to oppress you and tell you what you should or shouldn't think. Open your window and stick your head out, it is a big world out there.

 

[Rexibit]

I'm mainly replying here to let everyone know that DemandProgress.org has put up a petition to stop Assange from being extradited to the US, as well as to help stop Leberman from passing a bill to make WikiLeaks illegal for us to view.

Save Julian Assange: Don't outlaw WikiLeaks! | Demand Progress

As I said earlier, it's clear that the politicians are making a big deal about this now to cover up some other things they aren't wanting us to focus on right now.

So because (1% of americans) .0005% of the world has access to this information, 100% should have access?

That 99.9995% is a pretty big jump. Let's try a smaller jump.

You have 100% access to your bank account information, email, passwords, etc. Make it 50% by emailing me all relevant information.

You should be able to do this quickly and easily, since you are not a moron.

You posted this about the same time you did a similar response on the other thread, so I'll just link to my response on that thread.

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/109797-wikileaks-thing.html#post1090060

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I'm mainly replying here to let everyone know that DemandProgress.org has put up a petition to stop Assange from being extradited to the US

I thought he was fighting extradition to Sweden, not the US. The US hasn't filed any charges have they?

 

[phillian]

I thought he was fighting extradition to Sweden, not the US. The US hasn't filed any charges have they?

His barristers are currently fighting his extradition to Sweden, but the US has promised to step into the legal SNAFU if, for some reason, he is not prosecuted there. (Or so sayeth the US Attorney General's pundit on NPR this morning).

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

His barristers are currently fighting his extradition to Sweden, but the US has promised to step into the legal SNAFU if, for some reason, he is not prosecuted there. (Or so sayeth the US Attorney General's pundit on NPR this morning).

But that doesn't make any sense. He's being extradited on rape charges, not anything to do with Wikileaks (of course we all know the real reason, but from a legal standpoint). Why would the position of the US government be affected in any way by whether or not he is extradited to Sweden to face some BS rape charge?

 

[phillian]

But that doesn't make any sense. He's being extradited on rape charges, not anything to do with Wikileaks (of course we all know the real reason, but from a legal standpoint). Why would the position of the US government be affected in any way by whether or not he is extradited to Sweden to face some BS rape charge?

I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm just saying that what the news is currently reporting. The US won't interfere with Sweden getting him, but if for some reason that falls through they'll pursue him. (And, I assume, even if Sweden does get him they'll pursue him after the fact).

How the U.S. can now extradite Assange - War Room - Salon.com

 

[xmcp123]

But that doesn't make any sense. He's being extradited on rape charges, not anything to do with Wikileaks (of course we all know the real reason, but from a legal standpoint). Why would the position of the US government be affected in any way by whether or not he is extradited to Sweden to face some BS rape charge?

Because they're trying not to martyr him. It's not the leaks they're afraid of, it's the concept of Wikileaks they're afraid of. They don't want a legitimate political movement forming around this.

As they said on FT and ForeignPolicy:

aggressive action like arresting or killing Assange could spawn the rise of a vast, permanent network of radicalized hackers "systematically challenging those in power – governments and companies alike – just for the sake of undermining 'the system'." That could prove an extremely dangerous threat to the global economy and diplomatic sphere.

It's not enough to kill him or imprison him. Doing so would just inflame his supporters, many of whom are just as capable as him. They need to delegitimize him for them to have anything resembling a "long term" victory.

 

[Rexibit]

It's not enough to kill him or imprison him. Doing so would just inflame his supporters, many of whom are just as capable as him. They need to delegitimize him for them to have anything resembling a "long term" victory.

Very true.

Honestly, though, they should be more concerned about the sources of the leaks, and less concerned about where the leaked information finds itself. Wikileaks can't function without new information coming in.

As long as corruption exists in the government, though, leaks will always happen. So I do hope that the government realizes that it needs to change, and if it does, then Wikileaks' overall goal will be achieved.

I doubt it will on its own though, and as you said, Shady, there will end up being some sort of revolution because of this.

Every generation needs a new revolution.

There hasn't been on in the USA in quite awhile, and Jefferson said one should happen every few decades to keep the government in check. One of the politicians is bound to make a mistake and trigger the hackers, and ultimately the people, to cause some change. Probably not "violence", but enough of a commotion to get something done.

 

[xmcp123]

And here's a newsflash, 'tard: Wikileaks is not innocently "collecting" documents from "whistleblowers" as you so dishonestly put it. They're taking classified documents that were ILLEGALLY obtained

As the press has always been allowed to do. It's not their job to safeguard information. That's the government's job.

and publishing national security secrets that put lives at risk.

Bullshit. No one has been killed. No one has been attacked. We both know the government would be enthusiastically shouting it from the rooftops this were true.

Our foreign policy puts lives at risk. The "secrets" we have kill people every single day. People die for dishonest leaders, dishonest causes, and sometimes just for being in the wrong place.

In fact, per Assange's own admission, he's already responsible for the deaths of hundreds of lives in Africa when he released there. Both of those actions are crimes and I hope Assange gets tenderly butt-loved in jail.

He leaked a report about "'Extra Judicial Killings and Disappearances', a report by the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights about police killings in Kenya". Not exactly 'controvercial'. His leak changed the result of the democratic Kenyan election

What mind-boggling revelation has come out of these oh-so-brave leaks that Assange published? Hillary's a weirdo? The Saudis hate us? We don't like Sarkozy? Wow, thank HEAVENS we have heroes like Assange to bring this information to our attention.

If you read a paper that exceeds a 3rd grade reading level, you will see much more. That's just the gossipy trash that made the initial round of news. You broadening your horizons probably isn't happening, so here's a nice summary for you

...of all people, I thought you would be wetting yourself about the leaks related to Iran.

 

[Hammi]

From xmcp123's wikipedia link: "A Syrian foreign minister was alleged to have fallen for a "tabloid-like story" regarding the death of Princess Diana. An American ambassador stated that this displayed the Syrian government's "'stark ignorance' of the outside world".[82]"

A major threat to national security. Kill teh wikileaks

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Because they're trying not to martyr him. It's not the leaks they're afraid of, it's the concept of Wikileaks they're afraid of. They don't want a legitimate political movement forming around this.

As they said on FT and ForeignPolicy:



It's not enough to kill him or imprison him. Doing so would just inflame his supporters, many of whom are just as capable as him. They need to delegitimize him for them to have anything resembling a "long term" victory.

Yeah I get that, but I'm curious why they put pressure on everyone to shut him down, since that has drawn more attention to Wikileaks than anything else. As usual, the cover up is worse than the crime.

 

[nickster]

It's this kind of action that radicalizes people and creates enemies. Just as George Orwell said, "In a time of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

 

[zimok]

Because they're trying not to martyr him. It's not the leaks they're afraid of, it's the concept of Wikileaks they're afraid of. They don't want a legitimate political movement forming around this.

As they said on FT and ForeignPolicy:



It's not enough to kill him or imprison him. Doing so would just inflame his supporters, many of whom are just as capable as him. They need to delegitimize him for them to have anything resembling a "long term" victory.

Completely agree. Would just like to add that while it certainly wouldn't help 'the system' if he was martyred, it's certainly been proven completely that the model for wikileaks works.

The concept won't die anytime soon, and I've wondered several times how you could even prevent this from happening and so far I think it's pretty much impossible without changing the way the internet works to such extremes that it wouldn't be the internet anymore.