10 self defense shootings in the US in 11 days

I'm sure there have been quite a few attempted rapes stopped thanks to a firearm. That might make a powerful site if done right.

It Would force these liberal gun control nuts to explain why they "support rape". Use their childish tactics right back on them.

This is half the problem we face. Many women simply can't imagine having to defend their lives or their children's lives. But if faced with the choice of pulling the trigger or calling 911, Even the biggest gun proponent would squeeze the trigger if they had to watch their 10 year old son sodimized or their 8 year old daughter raped. Gun advocates need to target women. Women with families. And do it in away that they can emotionitly relate to. I don't know how to do it without making it seem like a white guy made it. It needs to be done by women for women.
 


Every year around 650,000 Americans use guns to thwart criminal assault.

Out of that 650,000, ~322,000 actually fired their weapon in a situation that involved great danger and the potential victims credited their guns with protecting their lives. That's 10 times the number who die annually from guns in the U.S.

Average response time for an emergency call is 10 minutes. Takes less than 15 seconds for somebody to murder you so you'd be dead.

So yeah fuck feinstein
 
Every year around 650,000 Americans use guns to thwart criminal assault.

Out of that 650,000, ~322,000 actually fired their weapon in a situation that involved great danger and the potential victims credited their guns with protecting their lives. That's 10 times the number who die annually from guns in the U.S.
Um, them there are some pretty big numbers. Sauce?
 
This is half the problem we face. Many women simply can't imagine having to defend their lives or their children's lives. But if faced with the choice of pulling the trigger or calling 911, Even the biggest gun proponent would squeeze the trigger if they had to watch their 10 year old son sodimized or their 8 year old daughter raped. Gun advocates need to target women. Women with families. And do it in away that they can emotionitly relate to. I don't know how to do it without making it seem like a white guy made it. It needs to be done by women for women.

How dare you take my feelings about the 2nd amendment and use them to force me to overcome my misogyny.
 
The majority of homicides arn't committed by "criminals". They are committed by someone you know.

See

Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009

In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009.

If you train your family members that conflicts can and should be resolved by the gun, then that's what happens. As indicated by that stupid woman in Connecticut and by what's been happening to forum members.
 
How about a post advocating guns to prevent democide?

LOL, what a contradiction in terms. Democracy is the change of government by the ballot box. When change of government happens by guns, then it's no longer democracy, it's a coup/dictatorship being imposed by the minority with guns.

Democracy of course isn't just about election by ballot - it's about the losing side accepting they lost and not trying to overturn the result and overturn the will of the majority with guns/force/murder.

Wasn't this all tested in the Civil War?

Also - given that you guys are so keen on the Constitution - Article 3 of the constitution says that "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them", and the Supreme Court ruled in 1807 that "there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war."

So if you are thinking of forming an armed militia and overturning the elected government by force, you are committing treason as well as being undemocratic.
 
The majority of homicides arn't committed by "criminals". They are committed by someone you know.

See

Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009



If you train your family members that conflicts can and should be resolved by the gun, then that's what happens. As indicated by that stupid woman in Connecticut and by what's been happening to forum members.

What forum members are you talking about here?
 
What forum members are you talking about here?

I was thinking of your situation actually. Have you been telling your family members that killing is forbidden in all circumstances or that it's acceptable in some? Immature minors tend to misinterpret these things with tragic consequences.

I'm aware that I'm being extremely harsh here, and I'm sorry if I am causing you pain, but I figured the touchy-feely approach doesn't work given you haven't made the connection, as evidenced by your willingness to do guest posts in favour of guns despite what has been happening to you in the last week...

P.S. I hope for your family's sake you have cleared your home of all ammunition just to be safe - don't be daft like that Connecticut woman.
 
I was thinking of your situation actually. Have you been telling your family members that killing is forbidden in all circumstances or that it's acceptable in some? Immature minors tend to misinterpret these things with tragic consequences.

I'm aware that I'm being extremely harsh here, and I'm sorry if I am causing you pain, but I figured the touchy-feely approach doesn't work given you haven't made the connection, as evidenced by your willingness to do guest posts in favour of guns despite what has been happening to you in the last week...

P.S. I hope for your family's sake you have cleared your home of all ammunition just to be safe - don't be daft like that Connecticut woman.

You aren't capable of causing me pain, although it's nice to know that if you could, you'd be willing to apologize after the fact.

Nothing about my situation involves a firearm or even hints at the involvement of a firearm, so I'm not sure what connection I'm supposed to be making between homicidal ideation that does not include or reference the use of firearms in any way and violence that is firearm related.

If you can illustrate how my opinions on firearm regulation should be influenced by fistfight statistics, stabbing incidents and arson, it would doubtless be an illuminating experience for both of us.

As to the moral tone of my household, we discourage the use of violence actively at every opportunity, and have never endorsed it in word, or by action as a suitable method of conflict resolution.

This is part of the reason why this entire sad affair came as such a shock to me, because we've been hyper vigilant in our desire to avoid desensitizing our kids to violence from the beginning. I've never struck or threatened anyone in my home with physical violence, and I've only raised my voice to a level above what could be considered normal speaking volume once in the last two years.

As to the safety of my family, I've taken every possible precaution, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, because I don't really think this is a situation where the "threat level" ever goes completely back to zero.

Our lives will have to be permanently adjusted in order to accommodate a new set of safety protocols in an effort to limit our exposure to a variety of potentially violent situations.




The difference between you and I is that I don't let my emotions cloud my reasoning when I attempt to understand fundamental concepts relating to liberty, freedom, and the rights of men to determine their own destiny. You do, however, which is probably why you have such a problem with firearms.

It's apparent from your tone that they frighten you, but more than likely what you are actually afraid of is the evil that lurks in other men's hearts, and the reality that ultimately, no-one can promise you complete and total saftey in a world of infinite possibility.

However, rather than facing the fact that the universe is an unpredictable place, rife with the potential for evil and wrongdoing and preparing yourself accordingly, you would instead limit the rights of all men out of your own paralyzing cowardice, laziness, or both.

It's a poor solution to a problem that has existed since Cain whacked out Abel behind the gardening shed, and your myopic suggestion that the solutions to the larger issue of the root causes of violence can be found in the tools employed in it's administration proves that you are unfit for serious discussion on the matter.
 
The difference between you and I is that I don't let my emotions cloud my reasoning when I attempt to understand fundamental concepts relating to liberty, freedom, and the rights of men to determine their own destiny.

Actually your response sounded pretty emotional to me, but that's OK.

People's ability to determine their destiny is better served if they their destiny isn't threatened by other violent people.

Guns are only good for killing, you can't really do anything else with them.

Killing should be an absolute taboo.

Once you start to make it conditional - that it's ok in this or that circumstance, you'll find that some inventive people start to rationalise and think up reasons why they are "justified" in killing because of this or that slight. They start to think it's the "freedom and right of man" to kill people who upset them.

This doesn't just apply to guns of course, it applies to all behaviours. Once taboos are lifted, and a particular behaviour becomes normalised under certain conditions, then the "justified" conditions expand and expand and everyone is doing it, it's normalised. In Russia it's normalised behaviour to fit up your opponents and falsely imprison them. "Everyone" is doing it, and each party justifies it to themselves on that basis. Same as this thread is justifying guns on the basis of "everyone has one, so you need one for self-defence".

I accept what you said about your household being non-violent despite you being a gun owner - but perhaps you need to realise that your step-daughters peers at school have normalised the idea killing because they see so many adults rationalise why they need a weapon to kill. It's a "society" problem and they didn't get it from watching informercials on TV.

Part of me wasn't sure whether to actually say anything and I really am sorry if I'm upsetting you. It's like watching a car-crash - however much I'd like to pretend it's happening to ether-people on the net, it's real so a person has to intervene, right? I don't personally benefit whether you live or die or whether you ban guns or not - I'm safe on the other side of the Atlantic. All I'm saying is that you need to think about where this culture of death is leading you and yours, and maybe you need to emigrate to Canada or somewhere where it doesn't exist and a different healthier form of peer pressure is acting on your children.
 
Actually your response sounded pretty emotional to me, but that's OK.

People's ability to determine their destiny is better served if they their destiny isn't threatened by other violent people.

Guns are only good for killing, you can't really do anything else with them.

Killing should be an absolute taboo.

Once you start to make it conditional - that it's ok in this or that circumstance, you'll find that some inventive people start to rationalise and think up reasons why they are "justified" in killing because of this or that slight. They start to think it's the "freedom and right of man" to kill people who upset them.

This doesn't just apply to guns of course, it applies to all behaviours. Once taboos are lifted, and a particular behaviour becomes normalised under certain conditions, then the "justified" conditions expand and expand and everyone is doing it, it's normalised. In Russia it's normalised behaviour to fit up your opponents and falsely imprison them. "Everyone" is doing it, and each party justifies it to themselves on that basis. Same as this thread is justifying guns on the basis of "everyone has one, so you need one for self-defence".

I accept what you said about your household being non-violent despite you being a gun owner - but perhaps you need to realise that your step-daughters peers at school have normalised the idea killing because they see so many adults rationalise why they need a weapon to kill. It's a "society" problem and they didn't get it from watching informercials on TV.

Part of me wasn't sure whether to actually say anything and I really am sorry if I'm upsetting you. It's like watching a car-crash - however much I'd like to pretend it's happening to ether-people on the net, it's real so a person has to intervene, right? I don't personally benefit whether you live or die or whether you ban guns or not - I'm safe on the other side of the Atlantic. All I'm saying is that you need to think about where this culture of death is leading you and yours, and maybe you need to emigrate to Canada or somewhere where it doesn't exist and a different healthier form of peer pressure is acting on your children.

I agree that killing is an absolute taboo, I think homicidal ideation is pretty fucking taboo as well, which is why I've treated the situation in my household as seriously as I have.

I don't think, as you seem to, that this "culture of violence" has sprung up recently in the course of human development.

I read an article the other day about a study that seems to indicate that human hands may have evolved the way they did in order to allow us to make better fists.

Surely though, we can pass a few laws, and change the way we talk about violence and these impulses that have been with our species since the dawn of time will vanish overnight.
 
I agree that killing is an absolute taboo, I think homicidal ideation is pretty fucking taboo as well, which is why I've treated the situation in my household as seriously as I have.

I don't think, as you seem to, that this "culture of violence" has sprung up recently in the course of human development.

I read an article the other day about a study that seems to indicate that human hands may have evolved the way they did in order to allow us to make better fists.

Surely though, we can pass a few laws, and change the way we talk about violence and these impulses that have been with our species since the dawn of time will vanish overnight.

Words have meaning, the way we talk about things affects how the peer group thinks, and thus enforces the taboo or undermines it. There's always a narrative that runs in people's heads before they act, and all sorts of bizarre things get rationalised and normalised if you let them.

For example, a few posts above, Lukep thinks it's "democratic" to overturn an elected government with guns and killing and I'm apparently the only one who thinks this reasoning is Kafkaesque!

What happens if everyone starts to think their killing is not just "justified" but normal and even glamorous? The only way to deal with it is to have an absolute taboo against killing - no individuals should be allowed to kill and the state shouldn't be allowed to kill either (i.e. death penalty abolished). Because as soon as you allow "justified" killing, the justifications expand in all sorts of weird and dangerous ways.
 
So, i don't know if I got a answer :D

Other than RSS, Facebook & Twitter which are all on the sidebar, are there any other methods to "Capture" readers to keep coming back? I don't want to be stuck on reddit traffic forever if that's at all possible.
 
But, here's the thing.

There are many areas/cultures in the United States where firearms are quite prevalent yet murder is extremely rare.

Just because some of us, even many of us like firearms doesn't mean we're wanabe rambos that hope & wait for some incident to happen that compels us to shoot or kill. This is the big fallacy that people fall into who do not live in the United States. As stated, I'll be addressing this soon on the blog.

So then, the question becomes why should a society be compelled to limit freedoms that do not impact others? As I've stated many times before, there are 100,000,000 long guns in private possession in the US, yet only a few hundred are ever used for a evil purpose. Yet, as it stands now they're the #1 target of the media and many people who fear them.