Core2Duo 2.5Ghz Managed Dedi BLOW OUT!

[Barefootsies]

Talking from personal experience, I own and administer several webservers - dedicated and cloud - and I must say benefits of cloud servers (scalability, scheduled backups, low cost at startup,...) outweigh dedicated.

Again, I personally think it comes down to what the client is looking for.

If someone is just starting out in the industry they typically have minimal capital to invest. So VPS, cloud, virtual are better solutions for them.

However, once you start making some dead way and have some money making sites. You typically want the security and dependability of a dedicated box. Preferably managed. However, when you get into dedicated boxes, depending on the host and plans, it can get pricey with set up fees (if they have them) among other things.

I think it comes down the cost and personal preference in the end. I know I would never trust my membership sites, or bigger traffic sites, to a cloud type of environment. But that's just me. I have been in this since 1997, and will openly admit to having a preference based on my own experiences.
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[kblessinggr]

People who are actually interested in doing business would get that information. They would then be able to contact them directly themselves on WF via PM for confirmation if they wanted.

I do not name clients to win message board battles with strangers. Sorry.

Yet you'll reveal their information when asked privately?

Far as VPS vs Dedi, might wana look into Openvz , even if just for a dedicated virtual (a dedi with a single VPS using full resource on the box). Least that way a customer's container can be backed up, restored, etc which is a lot easier than doing a physical OS reload. And if Barefootsies is capable of doing Fully Managed dedis (without any stipulation of which OS, setup, etc required to be fully managed) I trust he's capable of installing the free openvz software (an extra 10/month from SolusVm makes it easier to manage with a GUI and it installs itself and the openvz kernel).

 

[Barefootsies]

And if Barefootsies is capable of doing Fully Managed dedis (without any stipulation of which OS, setup, etc required to be fully managed) I trust he's capable of installing...

Barefootsies can do whatever he wants with his boxes at his company.

That includes tailored solutions to meet the customers requests. Including specifying which OS is installed at the time box is delivered (if customer has a preference), and adding on whatever software needs to be added on. Including which every control panel if the customer has a preference. Whether managed, or un-managed.

Barefootsies can also provide free back ups if need be, as well as RAID I redundancy on almost all boxes, so you can sleep at night knowing your data and websites are secure, from both the software and hardware, stand point.

If a customer needs something special, i.e a more complicated RAID ARRAY, more drives, memory, or something else specific. Barefootises can provide that as well. If someone send me what they currently have, I can get them a quote and provide them multiple pricing options for short and long term commitment customers.
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[Deliguy]

By the way which Mod would that be?

That'd be me. I have 4 boxes through him.

 

[subigo]

Not crashing your thread here, but since when can we advertise in the Hosting & Domains forum?

 

[Deliguy]

if you hosting or domain registrar guys are having special deals or coupons you can post about it in here once in awhile. Knowing about these things is almost never a bad thing.

barefootsie has been doing it way too often though. He's about to get some threads deleted.

 

[subigo]

if you hosting or domain registrar guys are having special deals or coupons you can post about it in here once in awhile. Knowing about these things is almost never a bad thing.

barefootsie has been doing it way too often though. He's about to get some threads deleted.

Thanks, I always thought we could only start threads about our own services if it was in the BST section. Good to know.

 

[hectic]

Cloud is where it is at for flexibility and easy scaling.

Dedicated has a lot of advantages though. Mainly better I/O for databases, and also knowing what else is running on the same resources (especially with regard to I/O, since current virtualization technologies can't carve this up the same way that RAM and HD can be segregated).

Cloud is making a lot of lives easier and lowering costs / increasing flexibility, but as with shared web hosting you can run into problems with overselling. Even good hosts like Rackspace that don't oversell intentionally, if there are 5 or 10 or 20 other VMs on a box with yours and one of more of them starts getting really busy, that can affect your performance.

So you don't get that on dedicated. But the flip side is your dedicated server may be mostly idle depending on your usage, so you'd be paying for more than you need.

 

[Barefootsies]

Yes the benefits do but you have to compare the benefits to the price. Like I said dedi servers are much better value for money for big operations.

Agreed.

I do not have anything against a semi/VPS/cloud per se. They are lovely for many who have smaller sites or are just getting started and are looking to control their costs while ramping up. Knowing what you need, and getting the right hosting solution for your needs is key. Not everyone needs a dedicated box.

However, once you get to the point of a solid money maker site... whether a membership pay site, message board, social network, or something similar where reliability/security/stability/burstable/customization become bigger issues I think deciated is the way to go.

Again, nothing wrong with those other options and they fit some segments of the online business owner just fine. But depending on the business model, I do not think the VPS/cloud is the best solution. But that's just MHO.

 

[Barefootsies]

I also do have some other servers in stock and available.

QuadCore Xeon X3330 $275.00 (Standard QuadCore)
4GB DDR2 RAM
2x1TB SATA HDD
RAID ARRAY Redundancy

QuadCore Xeon X3330 $300.00
8GB DDR2 RAM
2x1.5TB SATA HDD
RAID ARRAY Redundancy

QuadCore Xeon E5410 $350.00
4GB DDR2 FB-DIMM RAM
4x73GB 15k SAS HDD
Hardware RAID

QuadCore Xeon X3440 $350.00
8GB DDR3 RAM
4x250GB SATA HDD
Hardware RAID

All boxes come with:

RAID ARRAY I Redundancy
2 x 1000 Mbps NIC
Remote Reboot
FREE Server Migration
100% Full Managed
24/7/365 Tech Support
FREE Daily Backup Service Available
5 Dedicated IP Addresses
10 Mbps Dedicated Burstable Bandwidth

If you need something custom, please hit me up. I can work up a quote and typically get you the same or similar system in 5-7 business days if I do not in stock. Higher bandwidth commitment pricing covered in the O.P..

Additional Pricing Options Available for Term Commitment Clients!

 

[kblessinggr]

All boxes come with:

RAID ARRAY I Redundancy
2 x 1000 Mbps NIC
Remote Reboot
FREE Server Migration
100% Full Managed
24/7/365 Tech Support
FREE Daily Backup Service Available
5 Dedicated IP Addresses
10 Mbps Dedicated Burstable Bandwidth

If you need something custom, please hit me up. I can work up a quote and typically get you the same or similar system in 5-7 business days if I do not in stock. Higher bandwidth commitment pricing covered in the O.P..

Additional Pricing Options Available for Term Commitment Clients!

I'm confused on the bolded part, do you simply mean that each box contains two gigabit NICs, but are given 10Mbit traffic from the datacenter (and what does it mean by burstable, as in burstable to 10mbit, or to 100mbit/1gbit?)

 

[Bofu2U]

I'm confused on the bolded part, do you simply mean that each box contains two gigabit NICs, but are given 10Mbit traffic from the datacenter (and what does it mean by burstable, as in burstable to 10mbit, or to 100mbit/1gbit?)

Usually 10 dedicated burstable means you have 10 dedicated, and can burst into the 100 shared within the cabinet, if the cabinet is metered to 100.

At least that's how it always was with me.

 

[kblessinggr]

Usually 10 dedicated burstable means you have 10 dedicated, and can burst into the 100 shared within the cabinet, if the cabinet is metered to 100.

At least that's how it always was with me.

Usually but I'll wait til I hear it from him, seeing as how all the bandwidths listed above are 'burstable'.

 

[Barefootsies]

Usually 10 dedicated burstable means you have 10 dedicated, and can burst into the 100 shared within the cabinet, if the cabinet is metered to 100.

At least that's how it always was with me.

I suppose it could meant that depending on the company. That said, let me try and think of the easiest way to put this in regards to the thread, and context.

Unmetered means you could go up to 10M before you start to top out (i.e. capped), and get performance issues on your websites. The good thing is you do not get all kinds of overage fees, the bad is that you are 'topped off' per se. So it can cause you endless grief if you are a higher bandwidth user.

Burstable means you can go as fast as the NIC card (unless client asks for a cap, or capped by host). So if you have a 100M or 1000M NIC in the box. You could conceivably go that fast if you have a huge traffic spike.

This is why it is important that hosting companies, and clients, monitor your bandwidth usage. So if we see that spike in your BW, we contact you to let you know and you can either cap it. Or you can opt to switch to a higher BW plan to prevent overages.

If you are serious about your sites/growth/development. You would want to have BURSTABLE bandwidth. So you can handle traffic spikes. That said, a lot of hosting companies do not offer this. Especially in VPS.

However, it always comes back to each individual hosting company and how they opt to run their business, servers, and manage their bandwidth. Not all hosting companies do everything the same. So it's important to know these things. Proactive monitoring is key.

Hope that helps.
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[kblessinggr]

I suppose it could meant that depending on the company. That said, let me try and think of the easiest way to put this in regards to the thread, and context.

Unmetered means you could go up to 10M before you start to top out (i.e. capped), and get performance issues on your websites. The good thing is you do not get all kinds of overage fees, the bad is that you are 'topped off' per se. So it can cause you endless grief if you are a higher bandwidth user.

Burstable means you can go as fast as the NIC card (unless client asks for a cap, or capped by host). So if you have a 100M or 1000M NIC in the box. You could conceivably go that fast if you have a huge traffic spike.

This is why it is important that hosting companies, and clients, monitor your bandwidth usage. So if we see that spike in your BW, we contact you to let you know and you can either cap it. Or you can opt to switch to a higher BW plan to prevent overages.

If you are serious about your sites/growth/development. You would want to have BURSTABLE bandwidth. So you can handle traffic spikes. That said, a lot of hosting companies do not offer this. Especially in VPS.

However, it always comes back to each individual hosting company and how they opt to run their business, servers, and manage their bandwidth. Not all hosting companies do everything the same. So it's important to know these things. Proactive monitoring is key.

Hope that helps.
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So in short your datacenter allows the dedis to burst to 1gbit/2gbit from the guaranteed 10mbit (unless of course they pay for a higher guaranteed).

And I presume you're talking bout the uplink speed and not the bandwidth allocation. That'd be rather nice to be able to hit that 1gbit line on spikes

 

[Barefootsies]

So in short your datacenter allows the dedis to burst to 1gbit/2gbit from the guaranteed 10mbit (unless of course they pay for a higher guaranteed).

And I presume you're talking bout the uplink speed and not the bandwidth allocation. That'd be rather nice to be able to hit that 1gbit line on spikes

Honestly, I fail to see why you keep going on with this. I am guessing this is some sort of e-penis WF hosting duel for you. Since you are running your own boxes, and have no interest in this offer, it really appears to be little more than repeated trolling for ego.

Getting back on topic of those actually looking to do business....

For most people who are starting out, unless they are doing a heavy video site, or something where you could spike, BURSTABLE is a non-issue. They would typically go VPS/semi/virtual anyway.

For those who are on a dedicated box, you would typically want to have a BURSTABLE bandwidth box if you are growing your site(s). Unless you are limited funds, and need to cap it to prevent overages based on your budget.

E-penis board banter aside, UNMETERED/BURSTABLE comes down to the NIC card. Newer servers typically have a 1G NIC card. So on BURSTABLE BW you can go as fast as that card (unless capped).

Where older servers are going to have a slower NIC. So you may only be able to go 10M, 100M based on the hardware/NIC of that machine no matter what you are paying for in BW. The hardware would cap you.

 

[kblessinggr]

Honestly, I fail to see why you keep going on with this. I am guessing this is some sort of e-penis WF hosting duel for you. Since you are running your own boxes, and have no interest in this offer, it really appears to be little more than repeated trolling for ego.

Getting back on topic of those actually looking to do business....

For most people who are starting out, unless they are doing a heavy video site, or something where you could spike, BURSTABLE is a non-issue. They would typically go VPS/semi/virtual anyway.

For those who are on a dedicated box, you would typically want to have a BURSTABLE bandwidth box if you are growing your site(s). Unless you are limited funds, and need to cap it to prevent overages based on your budget.

E-penis board banter aside, UNMETERED/BURSTABLE comes down to the NIC card. Newer servers typically have a 1G NIC card. So on BURSTABLE BW you can go as fast as that card (unless capped).

Where older servers are going to have a slower NIC. So you may only be able to go 10M, 100M based on the hardware/NIC of that machine no matter what you are paying for in BW. The hardware would cap you.

Mainly trying to understand why it takes 5 or 6 paragraphs to answer a question such as : Does burstable 10mbit mean you get 10mbit garanteed then burst to 100 or 1000mbit?

 

[Barefootsies]

Mainly trying to understand why it takes 5 or 6 paragraphs to answer a question such as : Does burstable 10mbit mean you get 10mbit garanteed then burst to 100 or 1000mbit?

That was already answered. Yes.

If they pay for 10M, but have a 1000M NIC, and they are on BURSTABLE BW, then they could go as fast as the NIC in that machine unless the host/client cap it. That is the same for my hosting, and others, who provide burstable BW typically unless specified otherwise.

Honestly, I am really concerned that you are offering hosting and do not understand these simple concepts. I would not expect a client to understand the in's and out's to this degree in regards to NIC cards, and what unmetered or burstable means in the hosting world...

But the fact you are providing hosting and need this to be spoon fed is a real concern, or should be, to any potential clients.

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[IMHopeful]

 

[hectic]

Nothing web hosting folks love more than bandwidth discussions.

"burstable 10Mbps" is confusing because usually 10Mbps means "capped" at 10Mbps, unless it is "metered 10Mbps" or "95th percentile with 10Mbps commit"

Lots of hosting companies sell capped 10Mbps cheap, because unless you have very very even traffic, or use a lot less than 10Mbps normally, you will have problems when traffic spikes.

Personally I think one should assume that all bandwidth is burstable, unless told otherwise. My last hosting company used to do 10 or 100 all you can eat capped, or above 100 it would be metered capped at 1.5x your commit level.