I say whatever it takes to make air travel safer. You do not have to use this new scanner. Opt in for a pat down if you are that bothered by it.
Full body scanners may break child pornography laws
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So says the sheeples.
Used to be you could opt to a wand instead of a pat down... probably won't be that long before the scanners will be required with no opt-outs. And Because some things can be concealed from a pat-down (like that crotch bomb), they'll probably push the scanner depending on level of suspicion.
Course all in the name of safety, most people wouldn't complain until it somehow impacts them. I'm with some old adage that those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
Fun thread...
It should be noted that many child porn laws are written so very poorly. A surprising number of them are actually written so that the APPEARANCE of an underage person - even if there is documented proof that the actors are over 18 - can be interpreted as child porn.
Like that porno you rented with the young chick in pigtails and a cheerleader outfit? You'd better hope the FBI doesn't have it in for you - you're off to pervent-land.
It should be noted that many child porn laws are written so very poorly. A surprising number of them are actually written so that the APPEARANCE of an underage person - even if there is documented proof that the actors are over 18 - can be interpreted as child porn.
Like that porno you rented with the young chick in pigtails and a cheerleader outfit? You'd better hope the FBI doesn't have it in for you - you're off to pervent-land.
1. Guy on terrorist watch list boards a plane with no luggage and no extra security screening is done
2. Failed attempt to catch the plane on fire AFTER landing when it would be the least effective
3. Fast track full body scanners to airports without consideration of health risks
4. ??
5. Profit
2. Failed attempt to catch the plane on fire AFTER landing when it would be the least effective
3. Fast track full body scanners to airports without consideration of health risks
4. ??
5. Profit
Can't those machines give me a big fucking head tumor?
In George Carlin Words -- "Airport security is a fucking joke to help white people feel safe. It's just a reminder that they can take away your liberty in the name of security, fuck with you any time they want"
Can't a guy stick a bomb up his asshole? I bet those body scanner can't detect those.
In George Carlin Words -- "Airport security is a fucking joke to help white people feel safe. It's just a reminder that they can take away your liberty in the name of security, fuck with you any time they want"
Can't a guy stick a bomb up his asshole? I bet those body scanner can't detect those.
Ah yes, one of Ben Franklin's little rhetorical bon mots. Funny how he could hold "liberty" in such high regard but it didn't precluded him from ownin' him some negroes.
So do you just not fly? How can you be cool with a wand search or walking through metal detectors, and if you are then this bullshit is just arguing over shades of gray, you surrendered your "Liberty" long ago.
Except, you know, none of the bullshit done in the name of "safety" ( or anything), actually WORKS. I guess you mean whatever they feel like doing to create the illusion of safety.
I don't think there is a single person who has ever lived 100% consistent with his own philosophy- whether it's someone who supports a philosophy of liberty/freedom or not. That does not invalidate said beliefs.
True. But once philosophy turns into sanctimony you may get called out. And Ben Franklin's statement is most definitely sanctimonious.
You do have to remember that this is what is called "Security Theater".
It is a play being out on to make you feel safer.
It does not deter any real terrorist, as there are a million of ways to harm a country's populace.
Also remember that last year, a drunk guy climbed an airport fence, entered a plane and was found sleeping in it the next morning. You really think a scanner will provide any security?
Another case in point: Metal scanners (been in use for decades, we can safely say the technology is developed fully)
Went with the family from Switzerland via Germany via Russia to Tadjikistan last year.
So we went through quite some checkups, some airports have you checked several times (St.Petersburg, for example)
I wear a metal pendant from my neck, my mother in law has a metal knee prosthesis (that's about 2 pounds of solid metal)
My chain was only detected once, her prosthesis was detected about 50% of the time.
Security Theater.
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It is a play being out on to make you feel safer.
It does not deter any real terrorist, as there are a million of ways to harm a country's populace.
Also remember that last year, a drunk guy climbed an airport fence, entered a plane and was found sleeping in it the next morning. You really think a scanner will provide any security?
Another case in point: Metal scanners (been in use for decades, we can safely say the technology is developed fully)
Went with the family from Switzerland via Germany via Russia to Tadjikistan last year.
So we went through quite some checkups, some airports have you checked several times (St.Petersburg, for example)
I wear a metal pendant from my neck, my mother in law has a metal knee prosthesis (that's about 2 pounds of solid metal)
My chain was only detected once, her prosthesis was detected about 50% of the time.
Security Theater.
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A buh?
When he finally returned home [to the USA] in 1785, Franklin occupied a position only second to that of George Washington as the champion of American independence. Le Ray honored him with a commissioned portrait painted by Joseph Duplessis that now hangs in the National Portrait Gallery of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. After his return, Franklin became an abolitionist, freeing both of his slaves. He eventually became president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society.
Fly by private jet to smaller airports, my friend. Never worry about the TSA scanners again.
on top of my above post:
In his later years, as Congress was forced to deal with the issue of slavery, Franklin wrote several essays that attempted to convince his readers of the importance of the abolition of slavery and of the integration of blacks into American society. These writings included:
An Address to the Public, (1789)
A Plan for Improving the Condition of the Free Blacks (1789), and
Sidi Mehemet Ibrahim on the Slave Trade (1790).
In his later years, as Congress was forced to deal with the issue of slavery, Franklin wrote several essays that attempted to convince his readers of the importance of the abolition of slavery and of the integration of blacks into American society. These writings included:
An Address to the Public, (1789)
A Plan for Improving the Condition of the Free Blacks (1789), and
Sidi Mehemet Ibrahim on the Slave Trade (1790).
Good thing this will prevent any further terrorist attacks where they sneak a gun on board!
What? That hasn't happened?
Oh well, I'm sure it'll do an amazing job with organic explosives, since they're sooooo easy to detect, which is why not a single person has got through with explosives on a plane since 9/11.
What? That hasn't happened?
Oh well, I'm sure it'll do an amazing job with organic explosives, since they're sooooo easy to detect, which is why not a single person has got through with explosives on a plane since 9/11.
Franklin's liberty/security quote was attributed to him around February of 1775 when he still owned slaves. That's great he changed later in life, my beef was more with the quote, in that at the time he made it would been just a hypocritical sound bite that now get's trotted out way too often, as if the Founding Father's shit didn't stink.
Security in the US is a joke because the work is done by low wage workers who either don't give a shit, or who base their decisions on ego rather than professional training. At least that's how it's been when I've gone there. No cutting-edge tool will make a difference in the hands of the wrong people. In Canada it's just as bad or worse now, because even though the wages are better we feel like we've got to put on a big show for the US to overcompensate for our small Canadian balls.
This.
TSA workers are either a step above or a step below mall cops, but I'm not sure which.
Probably a step below, the federal status gives them a tad more ego when it comes to being confronted with accusation that they're doing their job wrong, or they made a mistake. Also you aren't as likely to face jail/prison time for giving a mall cop shit when they give you shit.
I suppose it depends on which airport, and also any public access roads are usually going to be too far to be effective. Plus try pulling over on the side of a road just outside any part of a major airport for longer than 5 minutes.