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There has been a lot of talk about switching EPN-based sites over to amazon.

The problem I see with this is you probably built out the EPN sites based on ebay pulse or a similar service. Have you checked if the given product sells as well on amazon? It's tough to compare since they rank item sales in an entirely different way.

Sure EPN has taken a dive for most and if you are getting an EPC of $0.00 I can't blame you for switching everything over. However I'd rather go with the advertiser consumers seem to prefer for each particular niche.

My old sites are staying where they are. Going forward I'm putting more emphasis on amazon but still using EPN, especially since there are niches for used items that can't be replaced.

I already have a lot invested in EPN and plan to muscle through this. Plus my earnings have increased since they put QCP into effect. It sucks to see others haven't had the same luck; mine might run out soon as well. Still, I'm more concerned about pushing more volume and creating new sites than anything.
 
guysmy said:
I already have a lot invested in EPN and plan to muscle through this. Plus my earnings have increased since they put QCP into effect. It sucks to see others haven't had the same luck; mine might run out soon as well. Still, I'm more concerned about pushing more volume and creating new sites than anything.
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So you are earning more with QPC than your WBR over the same period of time?

I am at about 50% for November. In other words, I racked up say $1,000 in WBR, but QPC only paid me $500.
 
guerilla said:
So you are earning more with QPC than your WBR over the same period of time?

I am at about 50% for November. In other words, I racked up say $1,000 in WBR, but QPC only paid me $500.
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Over the last few months since they put QCP into effect, EPC has increased $0.02-$0.04 overall.

I have around 8 new campaigns that started generating revenue right around the time ebay started with QCP. These new campaigns don't have many clicks but have high EPCs compared to older stuff, $0.25-$0.50. They are not really in niches that should have high EPCs so it seems doubtful it is simply the luck of the clicks.

It makes me wonder if new campaigns/domains get more love and tend to slide downward as time goes on.
 
guerilla said:
So you are earning more with QPC than your WBR over the same period of time?

I am at about 50% for November. In other words, I racked up say $1,000 in WBR, but QPC only paid me $500.
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Payout under the old system was 100% of WBR plus payments for ACRUs, correct?

That would have been really nice last month... I'm tracking 41.5% QPC payout versus the old system in October and 44.5% QPC payout versus the old system in November. However when I break it down further, I'm actually at 50% on my larger WBR campaigns and 25-30% on some smaller WBR campaigns for both months.
 
guysmy said:
Over the last few months since they put QCP into effect, EPC has increased $0.02-$0.04 overall.
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Under the old system, if you had 10 clicks or 10,000 you got WBR + ACRU.

Under the new system, you are supposed to get WBR +ACRU smoothed out over your total click volume.

My QPC earnings were 50% of my WBR earnings. They are clawing back a lot of my commissions. I don't even bother to count ACRUs I don't get paid for.

I think we should stop looking at EPC and start looking at our WBR versus QPC earnings. If a site drives 10 clicks to amazon, or 100 clicks to ebay, the only way to compare them, is on commission not on EPC because the clicks are not equal, and never will be.

EPC is only useful for comparing the same paradigms, not pre-QPC, post-QPC certainly when you figure in all of the bot blocking they are doing now, your EPC would have to be higher, even if your total revenue was not.

Note, I wrote this with a migraine, so if it doesnt make sense, I apologize.
 
kanehood said:
Payout under the old system was 100% of WBR plus payments for ACRUs, correct?
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First tier IIRC was 50% then it moved up to 75% depending on how much volume you drove, IIRC.

I am down 50% at 50% of WBR. Probably should have made that clear.
 
I have 7 active campaigns, all running phpbay Pro, with EPC's that run from .07 to .41.

For the month of Nov I earned 18% more than my WBR. (So if my WBR was $1000, I was paid $1,180.)

In addition to bot blocking, I changed the default sort order to "ending soonest" and turned the paging function off on all but one campaign.

YMMV, but so far, this has worked for me.
 
guerilla said:
First tier IIRC was 50% then it moved up to 75% depending on how much volume you drove, IIRC.

I am down 50% at 50% of WBR. Probably should have made that clear.
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Well now you've got me confused. My September affiliate payments pre-QCP were equal to 100% of WBR + $10 per ACRU.

I'm measuring WBR based off the following report criteria: "By Campaign, eBay Advertiser"

My QCP payments for Oct/Nov are 45% of WBR.

Are you saying WBR used to be 50-75% of whatever eBay's actual revenue was, or EPN payments to affiliates were 50-75% of WBR?
 
I've since diversified myself with amazon and although I earn less I sleep better at night. But this was a move I had to make because of the domain trademark rule they made a while back. Amazon isn't so bad if you can pull of a lot of cheap item sales. I am almost to the 8% commission level. A lot of unrelated impulse buys....besides that crappy cookie Amazon is a darn good merchant to work for if you really think about it.

Right now my overall EPC is $.19 but was a little lower last week. I decided to get off my lazy ass and implement geotargeting on all of my sites, since then EPC has been rising steadily.

I have also noticed that my newer campigns with less clicks have a much higher EPC - $.25+ Campaigns that draw the bulk of the clicks have a much lower EPC - sometimes as low as $.09.

I'm not sure how it all works but unfortunately I just have to eat the shit EPN feeds me. It's so easy to get clicks and earn with their program I can't quit them. You can monotize pretty much whatever you want.

I like to get into niches that are otherwise impossible for others to monotize - keywords with hundreds, thousands of searches a day that nobody is going after because there is no relevant CPA offer to try to convert.
 
guerilla said:
I am down 50% at 50% of WBR. Probably should have made that clear.
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I obviously did a poor job of investigating earlier. Thanks for the explanation.

Here are example figures of what I’m seeing for the month of Nov:

WBR: $2k * 0.50 = would have made $1k under the old system (??)
QCP: ended up making $1.1k

If I’m understanding this correctly, I’m making roughly the same amount with QCP.
 
After a couple of weeks of decent click prices I'm now tracking back at $0.00 for the past two days.
 
Just pulled a certain site's transaction report for last month...

Someone bought a car (not unusual as I'm in the auto-niche with a few sites) for $12,999. Care to guess what my EPC jumped up by on that channel after the sale?






















Did you guess 0.00? You are correct!
 
here's some highly erratic behavior from ebay:

winning bid revenue $1.58
epc: .41
earnings: $60.01

and last month was my absolute WORST, year to date

wft?
 
After my worst month ever last month, this one has started out completely opposite. My earnings are way up almost already surpassing last month and get this, I have $0 for winning bid revenue.

I did have one site today that has only had 3 visitors and EPN hit me with 250 clicks, so I'm sure now things will start to go to shit quickly now.
 
My numbers are solid, but after 4 days, I am not exactly ready to schedule a parade down main street.
 
The irony is. Ive been rock solid at 0.14 for like 2 weeks now. But the odd part is. It doesn't matter how many clicks i get it always stays at 0.14.


So if a tard that loves to click on everything once adds an extra 60 clicks i get paid for all of it. Or if i only get a few clicks i still get paid the same amount. Doesn't that contradict the whole raising of the epc based on click volume ?

As it is right now i actually want the spam bots to click my links to drive up the earnings.


(also yes im a small fry in epn terms)
 
You are at 0.14 because your clicks are too small in the aggregate for ebay to calculate EPCs for your campaigns. I think that changes when you drive 100 clicks or more per day consistently.
 
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