How CPArev is screwing me out of $34,875.00

I'm not going to bash but I want to know what Krongel's drinking at night cuz I'm up at least 16 hrs a day often 18-20 and I cant burn a fucking pound off.

I'm sure someone around here has a pill for that.
 


Must be those damn Acai berries.........

Maybe even a colon cleanse to keep the system running fresh.

Knowing Krongel he runs a combo =)
 
I think it's ridiculous that people from "established" networks are in here mouthing off a guy that just got fleeced for $35k in leads + $25k in traffic costs (should he not recuperate his owed monies).

Saying shit like "oh you should use 'more established' networks" (gee I wonder who they mean?) is sad. Once upon a time, you were an unestablished network that needed to sign up affiliates. You paid, CPArev didn't. That's pretty much the only difference here. Now you're "established" because you survived your growing pains, and either CPArev will hit the skids and implode due to this, or they'll figure it out and move on.

The affiliate did his job here. He stayed in touch with his network frequently while driving this traffic, caught the CEO lying to him, and then outed the issue - with proof - to the rest of us.

Calling the affiliate out for not using a "more established" network is just silly, imo. Maybe he should have gone with CJ since they're more established? Shit I remember Flycast hosing me for at least 20 grand on more than on occasion in early '99 before CMGI picked them up. Guess I should have gone with a more established network too.

I am sure this is directed at me, and I don't care if he uses Copeac, ads4dough, azoogle, hydra, Clickbooth or any other established network, i am pointing out that a new network really doesnt know what they are getting in to and you're in the same boat as them in that regard. Their mistakes cost you the publisher and vice versa.
 
I'm not going to bash but I want to know what Krongel's drinking at night cuz I'm up at least 16 hrs a day often 18-20 and I cant burn a fucking pound off.

I am a nervous fuck, my mind plays out every doomsday scenario and what impact it could have on my business. Mostly what happens if someone doesnt pay me.

Its tough to eat or sleep well when you're worried about collecting that 7 figure invoice on time.
 
I am a nervous fuck, my mind plays out every doomsday scenario and what impact it could have on my business. Mostly what happens if someone doesnt pay me.

Its tough to eat or sleep well when you're worried about collecting that 7 figure invoice on time.

That's called anxiety and it's not healthy. Go see a doctor bro.
 
I think it's ridiculous that people from "established" networks are in here mouthing off a guy that just got fleeced for $35k in leads + $25k in traffic costs (should he not recuperate his owed monies).

Saying shit like "oh you should use 'more established' networks" (gee I wonder who they mean?) is sad. Once upon a time, you were an unestablished network that needed to sign up affiliates. You paid, CPArev didn't. That's pretty much the only difference here. Now you're "established" because you survived your growing pains, and either CPArev will hit the skids and implode due to this, or they'll figure it out and move on.

The affiliate did his job here. He stayed in touch with his network frequently while driving this traffic, caught the CEO lying to him, and then outed the issue - with proof - to the rest of us.

Calling the affiliate out for not using a "more established" network is just silly, imo. Maybe he should have gone with CJ since they're more established? Shit I remember Flycast hosing me for at least 20 grand on more than on occasion in early '99 before CMGI picked them up. Guess I should have gone with a more established network too.

i do agree the Aff needs to be paid, but he should take some personal responsibility for this shit, because its partly his fault too. Does taking some of the responsibility mean he should be paid less? not at all.

Blaming everyone when you do something stupid is nothing new. I do it myself.
 
I have a question... and don't flame me because I don't know how affiliate networks run their shit...

...but why don't networks just require advertisers to prepay? I mean, that's pretty much how it works with any other type of advertising. You want to get $100k worth of advertising, you pay $100k...
 
I have a question... and don't flame me because I don't know how affiliate networks run their shit...

...but why don't networks just require advertisers to prepay? I mean, that's pretty much how it works with any other type of advertising. You want to get $100k worth of advertising, you pay $100k...

depends on the offer and traffic type, but some networks do.
 
...but why don't networks just require advertisers to prepay? I mean, that's pretty much how it works with any other type of advertising. You want to get $100k worth of advertising, you pay $100k...
I suspect its because advertisers want control over their lead quality to some extent, and they have no idea how many leads they're going to send. No one likes capped offers.

I am sure this is directed at me, and I don't care if he uses Copeac, ads4dough, azoogle, hydra, Clickbooth or any other established network, i am pointing out that a new network really doesnt know what they are getting in to and you're in the same boat as them in that regard. Their mistakes cost you the publisher and vice versa.
The problem with this attitude, and I don't disagree with it one bit, is that it stalls the market. If a new guy comes in with an excellent idea, business plan, money to float, etc., you're saying people shouldn't work with him - because it sounds like a risk.

In reality, all this does is stifle competition.





I only work with "established" networks for most of my stuff though so whatever.
 
That's called anxiety and it's not healthy. Go see a doctor bro.

I think it might be experience. I have been to the top and fallen to the bottom in an instant. Just wont let it happen again. Too many people rely on me to live, i cant let everyone down. I might just care more than others do who knows.
 
I suspect its because advertisers want control over their lead quality to some extent, and they have no idea how many leads they're going to send. No one likes capped offers.


The problem with this attitude, and I don't disagree with it one bit, is that it stalls the market. If a new guy comes in with an excellent idea, business plan, money to float, etc., you're saying people shouldn't work with him - because it sounds like a risk.

In reality, all this does is stifle competition.






I only work with "established" networks for most of my stuff though so whatever.

I don't think it stifles competition, look at the new networks like A4D and C2M who had great reputation in the past and started new networks. They aren't what i would call a newbie network, they have a following and reputation which helped their networks to grow. But a lot of these new networks have none of what C2M and A4D had which is why pubs end up in the situations they are in. I should have clarified what i meant which is stick to networks with a reputation even new networks if the founder/management have a good track record in our space.
 
I think it might be experience. I have been to the top and fallen to the bottom in an instant. Just wont let it happen again. Too many people rely on me to live, i cant let everyone down. I might just care more than others do who knows.

This is why I roll with Copeac...The man cares.
 
The problem with this attitude, and I don't disagree with it one bit, is that it stalls the market. If a new guy comes in with an excellent idea, business plan, money to float, etc., you're saying people shouldn't work with him - because it sounds like a risk.

In reality, all this does is stifle competition.
With all due respect, you can't start a business without knowing your costs and risks up front. Taking this off-line for a second, would you buy stuff from a furniture store that didn't have stock and said "hey, just look at these pics. We don't have the capital to float the in-store stock". Or even better: "sorry, you can't test drive this car, but try out this cool simulator. It's better than the real thing!"

Same thing should apply with anyone with a new business plan. You have to think out the costs UP FRONT. If you think you are going to need to float $100K, you make sure you can float $100K. Not doing your research first is inexcusable.
 
I have a question... and don't flame me because I don't know how affiliate networks run their shit...

...but why don't networks just require advertisers to prepay? I mean, that's pretty much how it works with any other type of advertising. You want to get $100k worth of advertising, you pay $100k...
Because most advertisers won't prepay. There are too many networks for them to choose from. If you push them, all you'll get is a "thanks, but no thanks. We'll go to that network over there".
 
With all due respect, you can't start a business without knowing your costs and risks up front. Taking this off-line for a second, would you buy stuff from a furniture store that didn't have stock and said "hey, just look at these pics. We don't have the capital to float the in-store stock". Or even better: "sorry, you can't test drive this car, but try out this cool simulator. It's better than the real thing!"

Same thing should apply with anyone with a new business plan. You have to think out the costs UP FRONT. If you think you are going to need to float $100K, you make sure you can float $100K. Not doing your research first is inexcusable.


i think most people know what they are getting into in starting a network. i've looked into it but luckily my offline business is firing on all cylinders right now and I don't have the time for it... but never say never :)

Anyway, i can't think of too many people with a new network who would go to an affiliate doing $5K a day and tell them to turn down their volume... the greed in all of us would be too much - they will hope/assume the advertiser pays and they get their $1k+ daily profit with no worries. And this idea runs across all industries IMO... typically you're not going to turn down potential income
 
I think with the flood of new networks out there youll find that slow payment issues will happen a lot. Its probably not the networks fault they just dont know whats round the corner until they turn.

Many people think its easy to set up a network, contact DT/Hitpath/LinkTrust/Has Offers get some offers, post on a forum that you have a network and instant success.

What everyone fails to realize is affiliates want to be paid yesterday and advertisers want to pay next month. the amount of cash you need to float is incredible (It keeps me up at night, and helps me to lose weight). Someone said get a credit line of 250K, try adding some more zeros to that number, and be prepared for 10-20% of advertisers to go out of business and not pay you.

If as an affiliate you're working with networks who are going to pay you when they get paid, RUN and RUN fast. You're trusting that the network did their due diligence on the advertiser which most don't do, they fall for the line of shit that every network wants to work with us and so should you so they extend credit without knowing if the person can pay.

I turn away more advertisers than we accept. Just like i turn away more affiliates than we accept. Part of the business is identifying who to work with and who not to. Same goes for picking a network to run with. Put your trust in someone who doesn't have experience and youre chances of failure will be much greater.

The OP probably ran the offer with the network in question because they offered 25 cents more than an established network. Guess that quarter cost you a lot more in the end huh?

Completely agree, being in the fulfillment business we float hundreds of thousands of dollars for advertisers but we don't accept just anyone we do our due diligence and don't just accept them as clients because of what they tell us, we have turned down far more clients then we have accepted but we have still be burned by a few advertisers its the risk of offering credit and cost of doing business.

Hope everything works out between CPARev and OP