Affiliate marketers and school

[Danc1122]

I absolutely HATE school. I skip school at least 2-3 times a week.

I'm only a junior in high school and I'll be lucky to pass for the year. Why? Is it because I'm lazy or stupid? Fuck no, I just got better things to do with my time.

I don't see the point in going to class when I make more money in 1 month, than my teachers make in a entire year....and I'm suppose to listen to THEM? lmao...

The education system is a joke. I'm required to take all kinds of lame shit that will have NOTHING to do with my future.

Why should I have to take Art class? I don't want to be a artist.
Why should I have to take chemistry? I don't want to be a chemist.
Why should I have to take biology? I don't want to be a biologist.
...and this list could go on and on for every class/subject.

Obviously everyone should get a basics of EVERY subject, but you can learn the basics of math and science before 8th grade.

Another thing that pisses me off is I could go in to school... get the work, grab the book, teach myself and be done it all within 2-3 hours and be out the door.

Instead, I have to spend 6 hours there like a prison. I spend so much time just sitting there burning through the hours of the day it makes me sick.

Highschool is a joke.

The only people who need a high school diploma or college degree are uncreative, non dedicated people who arn't willing to chase there true dreams in life. Unless of course, your dream is to be a doctor, scientist,ect which is cool... but most people just go to get a general "business" degree and then look for a 9-5 position.

Of course, this is all just my opinion : )

 

[alexb]

Just got my BS in Computer Technology.

Also just got accepted to Grad School for digital forensics.

I rank pretty low when it comes to affiliate marketing though.

 

[guerilla]

Don't base success on a lucky few. Most of your executives and well paid people are educated.

The ability to think critically is more important than getting formalized training IMO.

I dropped out of university in my first semester.

 

[efeezy]

2 CLASSES SHORT OF MY BS in Criminal Justice as San Diego State. Actually trying to finish just because I'm so fucking close. Maybe I'll get a Masters online in Graphic Design or something I could actually use. Never put in much effort thru school, but usually had in the 3.5ish GPA range.

 

[clashctyrokr]

Fuck school.

I'm a sophomore in high school. I get decent grades - my GPA is about 3.0 I think, but I fucking hate it.

Here's an example of how fucked up the public school system is (btw, keep in mind that I actually go to one of the top schools in my state - best teachers, best average GPA's, etc):

A few weeks ago, it was a Wednesday I think, I came in to school at about 8:25 (it starts at 8). Here is a rundown of my schedule for that day:

----1st period - watch a movie about China that we have seen 4 fucking times. Our teacher is fucking retarded and doesn't remember that we have watched it. We never say anything because we don't have to do shit when she plays it.

----2nd period - watch a segment of Mr. Bean (yeah, really), and follow up with an intriguing lecture on how to properly use the comma - in 10th fucking grade.

----3rd period - watch the magic school bus. No joke.

----4th period - sit around and talk. The teacher wasn't even in the room.

----5th period - work on pinatas that we were making. Why? No fucking clue.

----6th period - relax and fuck around while the teacher talks on the phone for about 45 minutes.

Then I went home and did stuff that actually mattered.


FUCK SCHOOL.

 

[KyleCPA]

I had a free ride for my undergrad (with $3000 returned per semester), and I'm getting free tuition, all fees paid, and a $20,000/yr stipend to get my Ph.D. Work hard enough for school and you don't have to pay for it, they pay YOU for it.

You sound a lot like me...I'm getting a free ride for my undergrad as well and am seriously considering a Ph.D in Accounting when I graduate next year. I don't mind school just because I actually like accounting (ha) and the benefits really outweigh the costs IMO.

I do think most college degrees are composed of highly theoretical irrelevant material, but if you're looking for a mid/low salary stable career most schools can obviously deliver. If not, the recognition that you have a college degree alone is good stuff that won't ever hurt you.

 

[papajohn56]

You sound a lot like me...I'm getting a free ride for my undergrad as well and am seriously considering a Ph.D in Accounting when I graduate next year. I don't mind school just because I actually like accounting (ha) and the benefits really outweigh the costs IMO.

I do think most college degrees are composed of highly theoretical irrelevant material, but if you're looking for a mid/low salary stable career most schools can obviously deliver. If not, the recognition that you have a college degree alone is good stuff that won't ever hurt you.

Again depends on your field. Physics contains a lot of experimental, but also a lot of theoretical. Engineering is more real applications of theory. A Ph.D can't hurt, especially if you keep doing AM while you're getting it.

 

[papajohn56]

The ability to think critically is more important than getting formalized training IMO.

I dropped out of university in my first semester.

It is important, but when you can do both it's even better. That's why I love a physics degree. A lot of people question why philosophy is mentioned in physics, but there's a lot of critical thinking aspects it introduces and broadens the thought process. Many of the greatest physical discoveries wouldn't have happened without this.

If you only have formal training, you're just going to be a lab rat.

 

[guerilla]

It is important, but when you can do both it's even better. That's why I love a physics degree. A lot of people question why philosophy is mentioned in physics, but there's a lot of critical thinking aspects it introduces and broadens the thought process. Many of the greatest physical discoveries wouldn't have happened without this.

I have been teaching myself economics and philosophy for the last 2 years in my free time. I suspect within the next 3 or 4 years, I will have the practical knowledge of a bachelor degree in either.

I understand going to school to acquire skills, but to acquire knowledge, that can be done independently these days.

The western mythology about needing a college degree is an educational industrial complex fallacy that is being exposed by the internet and the capacity to share ideas and access information at almost no cost.

 

[papajohn56]

I have been teaching myself economics and philosophy for the last 2 years in my free time. I suspect within the next 3 or 4 years, I will have the practical knowledge of a bachelor degree in either.

I understand going to school to acquire skills, but to acquire knowledge, that can be done independently these days.

The western mythology about needing a college degree is an educational industrial complex fallacy that is being exposed by the internet and the capacity to share ideas and access information at almost no cost.

of course, but certain things do require formal training. engineering and science are two of them, because the facilities to perform experimental engineering and science aren't readily available in people's houses. the grad school I'll be attending has a nuclear reactor on campus - not exactly something you can do at home on that scale.

 

[KyleCPA]

Again depends on your field. Physics contains a lot of experimental, but also a lot of theoretical. Engineering is more real applications of theory. A Ph.D can't hurt, especially if you keep doing AM while you're getting it.

Oh I agree 100%. Most all of the sciences, engineering, applied businesses (accounting, finance, info systems to an extent), law, medicine, etc are all practical degrees that I don't think most people would argue as being useless for their intended purpose.

For more general degrees, if you TRULY know that you're self-motivated and determined enough to make it on your own (in the long-run) then I'd agree that college is unnecessary. It's actually fucking great if you really know you have the work ethic to never even need college and be alright despite any downtimes/financial hardships you may encounter. Takes balls, a sick work ethic, and a strong self-image. However, if you're at all skeptical that you may not be able to stick it out long term, it's most definitely worth it to finish up that degree.

Personally, I've done well on the internet in the past two years but I'm skeptical. I don't feel that my passion is strong enough in internet related business (at least not yet) to say that I'd be comfortable doing this for more than a few years. I guess I'm a little bit of a pussy too - I'm scared that I won't be able to adapt when things change down the road. Then again even though I like the stuff I'm doing in college, I feel like I'd be disappointed in any 9-5 corporate career because of the relatively low pay compared to what AM can deliver. That's kinda why I'm considering a Ph.D - good lifestyle (freedom to do shit on the side) + good pay + enjoyable work.

 

[Danc1122]

Fuck school.

I'm a sophomore in high school. I get decent grades - my GPA is about 3.0 I think, but I fucking hate it.

Here's an example of how fucked up the public school system is (btw, keep in mind that I actually go to one of the top schools in my state - best teachers, best average GPA's, etc):

A few weeks ago, it was a Wednesday I think, I came in to school at about 8:25 (it starts at 8). Here is a rundown of my schedule for that day:

----1st period - watch a movie about China that we have seen 4 fucking times. Our teacher is fucking retarded and doesn't remember that we have watched it. We never say anything because we don't have to do shit when she plays it.

----2nd period - watch a segment of Mr. Bean (yeah, really), and follow up with an intriguing lecture on how to properly use the comma - in 10th fucking grade.

----3rd period - watch the magic school bus. No joke.

----4th period - sit around and talk. The teacher wasn't even in the room.

----5th period - work on pinatas that we were making. Why? No fucking clue.

----6th period - relax and fuck around while the teacher talks on the phone for about 45 minutes.

Then I went home and did stuff that actually mattered.


FUCK SCHOOL.

Sounds like a typical day for me. It's so fucking boring and such a waste of time it makes me sick.

 

[papajohn56]

School, if you're focusing on something that needs training, gets far better when you get deep into the subject.

 

[phrench]

Fuck school.

I'm a sophomore in high school. I get decent grades - my GPA is about 3.0 I think, but I fucking hate it.

Here's an example of how fucked up the public school system is (btw, keep in mind that I actually go to one of the top schools in my state - best teachers, best average GPA's, etc):

A few weeks ago, it was a Wednesday I think, I came in to school at about 8:25 (it starts at 8). Here is a rundown of my schedule for that day:

----1st period - watch a movie about China that we have seen 4 fucking times. Our teacher is fucking retarded and doesn't remember that we have watched it. We never say anything because we don't have to do shit when she plays it.

----2nd period - watch a segment of Mr. Bean (yeah, really), and follow up with an intriguing lecture on how to properly use the comma - in 10th fucking grade.

----3rd period - watch the magic school bus. No joke.

----4th period - sit around and talk. The teacher wasn't even in the room.

----5th period - work on pinatas that we were making. Why? No fucking clue.

----6th period - relax and fuck around while the teacher talks on the phone for about 45 minutes.

Then I went home and did stuff that actually mattered.

Damn. No offence, but I'm starting to understand why so many people in your country fall for rebill offers.

I hope it's not a typical average school in the US though!

 

[Sonny Forelli]

Don't base success on a lucky few. Most of your executives and well paid people are educated.

and MOST executives make a tiny fraction of what many of us do.

Not comparing solely fortune 100 execs who largely got there b/c of family history/pedigree and not just brilliance/education.

I have a degree from a good school in a 'good' subject. And I could buy and sell every executive I ever worked for.

 

[DreamMachine]

The ability to think critically is more important than getting formalized training IMO.

I dropped out of university in my first semester.

Completely agree, however getting a degree is supposed to prove that exact point (that you can think critically) to a potential employer.

It also proves you can start something and then finish it to the satisfaction of an 'external auditor' (ie. the school/university).

Saying that you could get a degree, if only you put in the effort is like saying I could make $5m/year profit on PPC.. all I have to do is find a profitable niche and scale it. ie. It's sometimes easier said than done.

The other thing I think is going on in this thread is that it's almost ingrained into the American psyche now that being educated or intelligent is "uncool".

The Notorious BIG said it best: "Either you're slingin' crack-rock, or you've got a wicked jump-shot." Nobody wants to work for it anymore. There's no honor in taking that after school job at Mickey Dee's, honor's in the dollar, kid. So I went the white boy way of slinging crack-rock: I became a stock broker.

(or in this case, PPC marketer)

For the record I have a computer science degree, graduated in 1997.

 

[r3p1v]

I hated high school with a passion. Such a gigantic waste of time. College was much better, but still most of the classes sucked. I absolutely hate how high school is the exact opposite of college. In high school you have to be there 8 hours a day, the administration and teachers are so anal about retarded rules like being 1 minute late to class, dress code, and using electronics. Plus 90% of the teachers are basically just babysitters. The social environment is also ridiculous because everyone cares how they look and what other people think of them and then there are sissy fights in the cafeteria. Reminds me of every idiot on MySpace. Ugh, it is so the opposite of actual life that it is ridiculous.

I ended up doing this thing where if you take college classes it will count as high school credits too. So I took all online classes at a community college and stayed home for a year and a half of high school while I worked on affiliate marketing. I ended up graduating in the top 20 students in my class because the college classes were weighted more than high school classes. I wasn’t even trying nor did I care if I got an A, B, or C I just did the classes with as little work as necessary so I could work on my business and play video games. I thought it was kind of funny because everyone else in the top 20 was super concerned about their GPA and making sure to get straight As and whatnot. I didn’t even really want to go to the graduation, such a waste of time imo and who cares?

After that I went to a university for a full year taking non-online classes. It was so much better than high school and the fact that the professors actually know what they are teaching about is awesome. Half of the classes I took were really interesting and the other half was retarded classes that had nothing to do with my major. Like physics, statistics, speech, etc… I dropped physics because I thought I was going to fail it after I got a D on the first test and because I didn’t want to go to the 3 hour lab and the 2 lectures each week. So after that I changed my major to a very similar program to the one that I was in and it was 95% online. So I’m acing these classes because I don’t have to waste all my time going to class and take notes plus all the tests are open book/internet lol. I have one year left and then I think I’m going to get a real job and do affiliate marketing on the side. My income from AM is too volatile to rely on and having a real job should allow me to get out of the house

Wow that was kind of a long post. Basically, I would say that I was a good student but I didn’t care at all and always spent the least amount of time doing school related things as possible.

 

[clashctyrokr]

Damn. No offence, but I'm starting to understand why so many people in your country fall for rebill offers.

I hope it's not a typical average school in the US though!

Yeah, I know. It amazes me how stupid most of the people around me are. And the sad thing is that, as I said, my school is one of the top in the state (Washington), both in academics, sports, teacher:student ratio, etc.

 

[danbradster]

Did well in school, have lost interest in uni since it is not very useful compared to...practice! And there more money in affiliate than uni/job.

 

[sgtryan]

2 CLASSES SHORT OF MY BS in Criminal Justice as San Diego State. Actually trying to finish just because I'm so fucking close. Maybe I'll get a Masters online in Graphic Design or something I could actually use. Never put in much effort thru school, but usually had in the 3.5ish GPA range.

I recently dropped out of SDSU. That school is total bullshit man - no joke.

My story is pretty similar.

Graduated high school with honors, stopped giving a fuck and did Jr College for 2 years with 3.0 GPA then transferred and gave less of a fuck, got 2.8 GPA and said fuck it 20 units short of graduation when my business started to do well.

I believe some people were built for the system and can benefit heavily from it and learn a lot but there are people who naturally learn from "street smarts" (or in our case computer/internet smarts) and have the natural motivation to learn/succeed in business and life. Most of my friends who go to UC Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, UPenn, and one of my buddies who goes to Harvard - they all are well-read and book smart, but they don't know two shits about business or managing their own lives responsibility which I think the university system completely ignores.

I love college for the relationships & social skills I built that I would not have learned owning my own business ONLINE and it helps me with business/personal relationships because let's face it most internet marketers' social skills are heavily deprived (just search WF for threads for people afraid to call a business for a problem they are having).