HELP!! Hydra Leads Invalidated!!
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Yes I've gotten quite a few emails/chats/pms about how Hydra seems to be the network who doesnt fight at all for the affiliate. Just so all the haters know, I wasnt even asking for full profit from the very start. I was asking to get a negotiation going to get some sort of reimbursment for making a company money, if no profit at all.
Here I'll spell it out for you. Look at it from their side. They explicitly said not to do something and you did it anyway. If it says "contextual traffic only" and then I throw up some Myspace comments and they decide not to pay me, it's no one's fault but my own. If you paid a contractor to build a 3 story house by the beach and they actually built a 1 story house in the suburbs instead, and then asked for "partial payment anyway," would you pay them? If they spell out specifically that they don't want you promoting in certain ways, it's for a reason, it's not because they just thought it would be fun to not allow xx type of promotion. It's probably because they already have teams working on those methods and you're cutting into their profits, or because they already know that traffic from xx source is shitty and they don't want it.
Your metaphor makes no sense. Its like saying, I want you to build this house with mexican workers, and you build it with chinese workers, and they say. You built my house using the wrong people, sorry but you're not getting any payment.
I still made them the house, adn they got their result, they werent totally happy so they didnt give me all the money, and they didnt wanna work with me anymore. Fine, thats fair. To say oh you just built my a 3 story house, have fun getting no money for work!
I think thats a better description then from 3 stories to 1, because i still got them THEIR END RESULT, sales. I got them sales. I didnt get them fake sales, false sales, false leads, i still got them leads.
Its not like i used the wrong materials in the house like they wanted, maybe i took 2 months too long, maybe i messed up a few times and had to redo stuff, but i still got their exact end result.... but i guess it is what it is!
I still made them the house, adn they got their result, they werent totally happy so they didnt give me all the money, and they didnt wanna work with me anymore. Fine, thats fair. To say oh you just built my a 3 story house, have fun getting no money for work!
I think thats a better description then from 3 stories to 1, because i still got them THEIR END RESULT, sales. I got them sales. I didnt get them fake sales, false sales, false leads, i still got them leads.
Its not like i used the wrong materials in the house like they wanted, maybe i took 2 months too long, maybe i messed up a few times and had to redo stuff, but i still got their exact end result.... but i guess it is what it is!
For example, when my dad built our house, we fired our contractor but still had to pay him 15k. He did the wrong job but he still had to get some compensation for what he had done. Its just how it works, but whatever if its not how AM works then I guess its not how AM works.
That's funny. I'm sure there was something worked into the contract to cover his ass.
Do you have something like that in a contract with Hydra? Didn't think so.
Rage I'm done arguing with you. I know Hydra has the legal upperhand in this vs any advertiser so its a waste to argue with you. I am trying to figure out how Hydra is operating vs the other big networks. Whether I get my money or not is another issue, it seems to be though that Hydra will throw any affiliate who is not doing HUGE traffic under the bus and keep the advertiser 100% happy. I personally think this is something I would like the afilliate world to know if it is true. Wouldn't you want to know?
If you get into a rut, and one network will fight for you and get you paid, and one won't, which would you rather be with? I promise I am not some ultra douchey guy trying to scam anybody.
If you get into a rut, and one network will fight for you and get you paid, and one won't, which would you rather be with? I promise I am not some ultra douchey guy trying to scam anybody.
No network is going to fight for an affiliate who doesn't follow the rules, you didn't follow the rules and have absolutely no legal argument. Stop making stupid analogies that have absolutely no parellel with the situation at hand. You could argue over this shit all year and in the end you'd still be dead wrong. It's going to be interesting to see how you totally disregard this comment and recite the same crap even more.
it looks like there's really not much you can do so just move on and stop wasting your time in this thread.
we've all made the same mistakes before, sending search traffic to an offer that doesn't allow it. it's up to them if they wanna pay you for it or not and you can't be mad at them for that. personally, i've always been paid and just got booted from the offer lol. and even then, you can just ask and promise to never do it again and they'll put you back on
we've all made the same mistakes before, sending search traffic to an offer that doesn't allow it. it's up to them if they wanna pay you for it or not and you can't be mad at them for that. personally, i've always been paid and just got booted from the offer lol. and even then, you can just ask and promise to never do it again and they'll put you back on
Chances are, Hydra did not/will not get paid from the advertiser for this traffic. Why should they pay you out of pocket for your mistake?
i dont know ANY netowrks that will pay for bullshit, or non-complient traffic.
Period.
You think you generated them 25k in profit or something. How? If the people were searching Trademarks they were going to get to their site even if your ad wasn't there, they just would have clicked on the result below you which probably would have been the companies organic listing. Hence you didn't drive them any new traffic, you just took their current traffic and sent it through your link.
You all keep talking trash but i don't really get why. You can just say "i don't think you're gonna get paid", why do people on forums need to be so rude?
I have gotten some PMs and msgs from people who currently work at other networks, have private networks, or used to work for networks. There is about a 90% chance Hydra is getting paid, I don't know about me. If Hydra doesn't get paid, I obviously don't expect any money from them. But for them to "make a deal" with the advertiser to give them a cut, and not give a shit about us is a different story. I really don't understand the negativity behind bashing me.
Ryfry07, if you did that, your network would KNOW you were doing it on purpose. I have no bad record, I am not screwing people left and right. I havent done anything. If you keep making the same mistkae, they are going to know its nto a mistake. Not to mention im not even trying to make a profit off of this. I am trying to get into a conversation with the advertiser to negotiate for money they made....
Thunder, from the stories people are PMing me about, and what i've searched on multiple forums and people I know personally. I am the very first person I know directly to not get paid. And everyone coming to me with stories on not being paid, all happen to be Hydra.... I don't know what the deal is yet but I plan to find out.
I have a friend who got caught TM bidding on the same network (don't think its wise to say which one, but its a big one) on all 5 of his first campaigns, he didn't know. This was about 4 months back and he got paid on all of it. A total of about 15k.
If you think it is hard for Hydra to say listen, per the contract you have with us, you owe us money for these leads, we want to keep you happy and the affiliate is just trying to not make a loss cause they really didn't try and make a profit on in a wrong way. Just pay these guys back their exact PPC costs, they are .05% of your total traffic from Hydra, they will be banned from your campaign. And we can all be happy. I bet 100% that would have worked. I keep being told from Hydra that if I was a "big dog" I would have much more leverage but I hoenstly don't get that. Would the advertiser rather pay me for 500 honest mistake leads, or a "big dog" who gave them 10,000 search leads?
I am not trying to argue with anyone on the forums, I am not trying to cry, I am trying to talk to people who had similar situations. That is all.
I have gotten some PMs and msgs from people who currently work at other networks, have private networks, or used to work for networks. There is about a 90% chance Hydra is getting paid, I don't know about me. If Hydra doesn't get paid, I obviously don't expect any money from them. But for them to "make a deal" with the advertiser to give them a cut, and not give a shit about us is a different story. I really don't understand the negativity behind bashing me.
Ryfry07, if you did that, your network would KNOW you were doing it on purpose. I have no bad record, I am not screwing people left and right. I havent done anything. If you keep making the same mistkae, they are going to know its nto a mistake. Not to mention im not even trying to make a profit off of this. I am trying to get into a conversation with the advertiser to negotiate for money they made....
Thunder, from the stories people are PMing me about, and what i've searched on multiple forums and people I know personally. I am the very first person I know directly to not get paid. And everyone coming to me with stories on not being paid, all happen to be Hydra.... I don't know what the deal is yet but I plan to find out.
I have a friend who got caught TM bidding on the same network (don't think its wise to say which one, but its a big one) on all 5 of his first campaigns, he didn't know. This was about 4 months back and he got paid on all of it. A total of about 15k.
If you think it is hard for Hydra to say listen, per the contract you have with us, you owe us money for these leads, we want to keep you happy and the affiliate is just trying to not make a loss cause they really didn't try and make a profit on in a wrong way. Just pay these guys back their exact PPC costs, they are .05% of your total traffic from Hydra, they will be banned from your campaign. And we can all be happy. I bet 100% that would have worked. I keep being told from Hydra that if I was a "big dog" I would have much more leverage but I hoenstly don't get that. Would the advertiser rather pay me for 500 honest mistake leads, or a "big dog" who gave them 10,000 search leads?
I am not trying to argue with anyone on the forums, I am not trying to cry, I am trying to talk to people who had similar situations. That is all.
I have had Azoogle pay me for leads that the advertiser was not paying them for, it all depends on the situation and your relationship with the company you are working with...
Since this guy ran a non-search campaign on search, I am not sure exactly what he was expecting except live and learn.
And by the way my situation was nothing like that... It was much much much much greyer, and came down to a difference of opinion for the most part.
Just because you generate sales doesn't mean you should automatically get paid for it, there are rules to follow for any campaign out there.
I know you wanted help and there is legitimate feedback in this thread that you should probably listen to.
Hydra is a fair network and they balance the needs of both affiliates AND advertisers in my experiences with them. Just to put it in perspective, trademark issues can hit advertisers hard and put them out for lawsuits, especially if the trademark infringement is for a large competitor of this advertiser.
Would you rather have got paid for these transactions, but then been vulnerable to a lawsuit from the company that was infringed upon? Maybe you're lucky you just didn't get paid for something you weren't supposed to do in the first place.
I know you wanted help and there is legitimate feedback in this thread that you should probably listen to.
Hydra is a fair network and they balance the needs of both affiliates AND advertisers in my experiences with them. Just to put it in perspective, trademark issues can hit advertisers hard and put them out for lawsuits, especially if the trademark infringement is for a large competitor of this advertiser.
Would you rather have got paid for these transactions, but then been vulnerable to a lawsuit from the company that was infringed upon? Maybe you're lucky you just didn't get paid for something you weren't supposed to do in the first place.
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