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Just to clarify here... bulking and cardio DO mix

Sure, you CAN mix them. But doing so will be detrimental to bulking, especially if you are naturally skinny and don't bulk easily. Obviously it's not that you won't get into shape by doing both, but regardless of your body type (though it is manditory for hardgainers), if you want to put on size, don't do any type of cardio, lift hard, and eat right. Then eat more.
 
I used to lift pretty hard a few years back, but to look at me now, you'd never know it. Life gets busy, time gets scarce, forcing down 4500 calories a day gets old, blah blah blah. I'd love to start lifting again but I just don't have time at the end of the day.

And what I REALLY don't understand is how people lift in the mornings. I have to have a full day's worth of food in me to get through a workout. Every time I tried to lift after only eating breakfast, I either have a crappy workout or I puke halfway through squats.

I also need a full 7-8 hours of sleep to function. So if I have to be out the door for work by 8AM, that means home from the gym by 7:15, which means I'd better be at the gym by 6:30, which means I need to finish breakfast by 6:00, which means I have to be out of bed by 5:15 or so, which means I'd have to be asleep by 10PM.

Who the fuck can actually live with a schedule like that?

It sucks though because now I'm on adderall (like Jon) and I'm dropping weight like crazy. I can force myself to eat no problem, but if that was all it took to build muscle, I'd be a monster.
 
hi guys.....me too a bodybuilding freak........recently out of touch........the best book i ever read on bodybuilding was arnold's encyclopedia
 
Hey farhan, check out "Champoinship Bodybuilding" by Chris Aceto, you'll be glad you did. Outstanding book by a man who knows his shit.
 
I wouldn't say im a body builder, but I lift ~ 4 days a week at least. and I eat pretty healthy and have at least a few protien shakes a day. I am not a body builder because I am still doing tons of cardio at the same time ( racquetball) So I am okay with slow gains as I can still hustle like a mo'fo;

stats: 5'6'' 149 lbs dumbell bench press = can do 85lb dumbells 4 sets of ten. seated dumbell shoulder press = 65lbs
 
this is my kind of body builder
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Well I'm looking to compete in shows next year - hopefully.

I'm cutting right now, and I'm gonna do some serious bulking the winter to come, then shred it all back off for spring and summer then compete.

Hopefully, take it up pro. I love bodybuilding!

Nick, some nice stats! I'm bigger overall but you have more strength - easily lol.

I'm 6ft 3" and 190lbs.

Awesome good for you! I hope to compete some day as well. I'm up to 170 now, so I'm about 10 lbs heavier than that. I'm taking it slow so I can take the time to put the muscle on in the right places.

Very hard. I am a pretty avid runner, 50-60 miles a week. I lift 2 - 3 times a week and eat a ton, but I can't seem to bulk up any. Looks like you are in the same boat I am in.

1. Don't run that much
2. You don't eat as much as you think you do. I Used to think the same thing until I started eating even more and gaining some weight.

Bulking and cardio do not mix. One is counter productive to the other. Bulk or cut, then switch. Trying to do both will only give you mediocre results for either goal.

I disagree, I like to do some cardio after I lift just to keep up my endurance and stay fit so I can have better workouts. Read about any of the great bodybuilders and you will learn the same thing. (by great I mean the old school guys like arnold and frank zane)

All in all, i'm not sure why people worry so much about putting weight on as fast as they can. A lot of the people who use steroids and put weight on really fast look like shit because they didn't have enough time to decide where to put the weight on (proportion wise).

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Awesome good for you! I hope to compete some day as well. I'm up to 170 now, so I'm about 10 lbs heavier than that. I'm taking it slow so I can take the time to put the muscle on in the right places.



1. Don't run that much
2. You don't eat as much as you think you do. I Used to think the same thing until I started eating even more and gaining some weight.



I disagree, I like to do some cardio after I lift just to keep up my endurance and stay fit so I can have better workouts. Read about any of the great bodybuilders and you will learn the same thing. (by great I mean the old school guys like arnold and frank zane)

All in all, i'm not sure why people worry so much about putting weight on as fast as they can. A lot of the people who use steroids and put weight on really fast look like shit because they didn't have enough time to decide where to put the weight on (proportion wise).

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Good point there about the steroids and time. I've always read how Arnold was praised for his natural look, and we all know he was a juicer too.
 
Yep, because he knew how to put that weight on in the right places so he looked amazing when he was done.

Look around in your gym you'll see a ton of huge guys who think they are awesome, but they look goofy because they are so disproportionate (they didn't pay attention to how they put the weight on. They either don't know how, or don't care). Getting bigger doesn't take much skill and knowledge if that's all you want to do (just eat a lot and lift how ever you can). Getting bigger and looking really really good and proportionate is what's hard, and that's what bodybuilding is. It then becomes HOW you eat and HOW you lift that determines how good you are, rather than just eating and lifting however you want. It's truly is an art form.
 
Look around in your gym you'll see a ton of huge guys who think they are awesome, but they look goofy because they are so disproportionate (they didn't pay attention to how they put the weight on. They either don't know how, or don't care). Getting bigger doesn't take much skill and knowledge if that's all you want to do (just eat a lot and lift how ever you can). Getting bigger and looking really really good and proportionate is what's hard, and that's what bodybuilding is. It then becomes HOW you eat and HOW you lift that determines how good you are, rather than just eating and lifting however you want. It's truly is an art form.

I won't argue that Zane and Arnold weren't more proportionate than today's bodybuilders (though Zane did need to add some size to his legs), I too think they looked better and that their look is ideal. But realistically, I don't think that bulking without form is something that the general lifting population has to worry about. Getting any size anywhere would be an improvement for most guys. I look around at guys in the gym, running and trying to get really lean and I can't help but think "When the fuck did it become masculine for a guy to look like a chick?"
Seriously, if you are a man and are going to bother to go to the gym, why aspire to have a body slimmer than a chick's? Sad.
 
Love training, I do it more for stength than size though. I eat a shit load, 5 - 6 meals a day most days. You could do with some CV work even when your trying to bulk, just a couple of 30 minute runs a week does you a lot of good, keeps you reasonably fit, and really doesn't take much away from your bulking, just eat an extral couple of hundred calories on those days.
 
I won't argue that Zane and Arnold weren't more proportionate than today's bodybuilders (though Zane did need to add some size to his legs), I too think they looked better and that their look is ideal. But realistically, I don't think that bulking without form is something that the general lifting population has to worry about. Getting any size anywhere would be an improvement for most guys. I look around at guys in the gym, running and trying to get really lean and I can't help but think "When the fuck did it become masculine for a guy to look like a chick?"
Seriously, if you are a man and are going to bother to go to the gym, why aspire to have a body slimmer than a chick's? Sad.

I see tons of huge guys in the gym who obviously have no idea how to lift and I attribute that partly to why they look so goofy and disproportionate.

P.S. Arnold was the guy lacking in the legs department early in his career. Frank zane had perfect size legs for how big he was. If anything, they were a bit big in proportion compared to other bodybuilders of the day.

you can tell in his younger years that arnold was lacking in leg development

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Frank Zane however in my opinion is perfect as far as the classic physique goes. Compared to the "new style" though, almost all the classic bodybuilders have small legs.

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Haha! Repped, that pic of arny is quality!

Yeah, the new generation of bodybuilders are all in for size and mass. They are just monsters, first time I seen them I thought YUCK. I hold a different opinion now, after training and joining the sport.
 
I disagree, I like to do some cardio after I lift just to keep up my endurance and stay fit so I can have better workouts. Read about any of the great bodybuilders and you will learn the same thing. (by great I mean the old school guys like arnold and frank zane)

Some cardio won't hurt but you also have to remember those guys take/took a lot of steroids. So their recovery times is a lot less them someone doing it naturally.
 
Some cardio won't hurt but you also have to remember those guys take/took a lot of steroids. So their recovery times is a lot less them someone doing it naturally.

Frank Zane did quite a bit of cardio and never used steroids until his last few years. He definitely didn't abuse them in any way either.

It's not really how much cardio you do it's what kind you do in conjunction with how well you eat.
 
Frank Zane did quite a bit of cardio and never used steroids until his last few years. He definitely didn't abuse them in any way either.

It's not really how much cardio you do it's what kind you do in conjunction with how well you eat.

I agree when on a bulk diet you don't want to be burning more then you are taking in. All in all in boils down to what each individual limits are. Just because something works awesome for me doesn't mean it will net the same results for the next person.
 
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