Ron Paul Supremacist WTF?

This place has gotta give you serious wood then, lately.

Ban the retarded motherfucker that resurrected this antique piece of shit thread. :zzwhip:

Cocksucker should be whacked just for having SEO in his username, although the simian part fits.

Let me explain. I don't log in that often. When I logged in for the first time in a very long time I saw I had comments in response to my comments here. So I responded.

I suppose you're another paulbot who doesn't know what he doesn't know and is prefers ad hominems to exposing his blatant ignorance on a given topic.
 


Want to discredit someone? Just tell the American public that someone's a perv or racist and those idiots will believe every word you say.

Right, so I suppose every person whose been accused of being a pervert or a racist was in fact innocent, and the accusations served as nothing more than an attempt to discredit them? I suppose that's easier to believe than confronting inconvenient facts.
 
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Right, so I suppose every person whose been accused of being a pervert or a racist was in fact innocent, and the accusations served as nothing more than an attempt to discredit them? I suppose that's easier to believe than confronting inconvenient facts.

A lot of people are accused of being racist. It doesn't mean anything anymore thanks to the legions of white guilt motherfuckers that flog themselves to thoughts of their ancestors behaving badly. Just about every critic of Obama for the last 5 years has been called a racist. It's old. It's tired. People like you have stripped the word of all meaning.

Ron Paul (and no, I'm not a Paulbot) wanted to immediately open the prison gates and release ALL non-violent drug offenders - a large portion of which are minorities. Meanwhile, Obama has continued to lock up minorities for drug related offenses at a rate faster than any administration in history. So when someone like you tries to paint him as a racist you just look retarded. So go suck Obama's dick while he continues to spy on, lock up and murder Americans like it's going out of style. Fucking punk.
 
Right, so I suppose every person whose been accused of being a pervert or a racist was in fact innocent, and the accusations served as nothing more than an attempt to discredit them? I suppose that's easier to believe than confronting inconvenient facts.

Can you just shut the fuck up you triple posting retard?

Go ahead, try and deny the inconvenient fact that you are a retard.
 
Can you just shut the fuck up you triple posting retard?

Go ahead, try and deny the inconvenient fact that you are a retard.

I suppose I could shut up. But it's unlikely, because I see comments like this that only attempt to insult and have 0 relation to the actual topic as childish form of attempted censorship. Not that I care what inarticulate losers such as yourself think. It's more the principle of the matter. And f you're too stupid to see that my "triple posts" are in fact individual responses to 3 different posters, then you may be a pot calling the kettle black here.
 
A lot of people are accused of being racist. It doesn't mean anything anymore thanks to the legions of white guilt motherfuckers that flog themselves to thoughts of their ancestors behaving badly. Just about every critic of Obama for the last 5 years has been called a racist. It's old. It's tired. People like you have stripped the word of all meaning.

Ron Paul (and no, I'm not a Paulbot) wanted to immediately open the prison gates and release ALL non-violent drug offenders - a large portion of which are minorities. Meanwhile, Obama has continued to lock up minorities for drug related offenses at a rate faster than any administration in history. So when someone like you tries to paint him as a racist you just look retarded. So go suck Obama's dick while he continues to spy on, lock up and murder Americans like it's going out of style. Fucking punk.

I'm guessing you either skipped critical thinking class or were too busy lighting up your farts to learn anything. So let me explain the waywardness of you caveman logic.

"A lot of people are accused of being racist."

Here's the kicker: Some of those accused of being racist ARE in fact racist. See how that works? Merely citing the fact that the race card gets thrown around way too much does not negate the possibility of someone in fact being a racist. Especially when they:

-Have donations from Whit Supremacist organizations
-Have their names on anti-black newsletters
-Oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964

And since you probably really are dull enough to buy into the "Ron Paul wants to shut down prisons and this will help black people" line. Let me explain. Ron Paul wants to shut down a huge chunk of government and scale it back, and this would simply include shutting down the prisons. In other words, releasing non-violent drug offenders is a selling point, not an actual goal.

Scaling down government (whether a good or bad thing) has been a way of appealing to racists for several decades now. This from Lee Atwater (Republican Strategist in the 60's)

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "*igger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*gger."[4]

Do you understand? The logic here is that by saying you're going to cut govt. aid, racists understand that this is going to largely affect blacks.

Is this clearer now? There are converging lines of evidence here. This is more than some random accusation.

So go suck Obama's dick while he continues to spy on, lock up and murder Americans like it's going out of style.

Another common tactic by idiots. Slamming Obama doesn't make these facts go away, and it makes you look stupid for thinking one can only choose between Ron Paul and Obama.
 
The logic here is that by saying you're going to cut govt. aid, racists understand that this is going to largely affect blacks.

Some of the voters think that way, but whites are still 70% of the US, so totals wise they are the largest recipients of aid.

Also, according to studies, things like lower IQ and lower incomes correlate more with racist attitudes. Therefore, a racist white person is more likely to be an aid recipient than a non-racist one.
 
Here's the kicker: Some of those accused of being racist ARE in fact racist. See how that works? Merely citing the fact that the race card gets thrown around way too much does not negate the possibility of someone in fact being a racist.

It loses its effectiveness though (boy who cried wolf). It used to actually mean something to be called a racist, now it means nothing. It literally means "you disagree with me" so the fact that some people are racist is irrelevant.

-Have donations from Whit Supremacist organizations
-Have their names on anti-black newsletters
-Oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964

All politicians receive donations from questionable sources, and many have had their names co-opted by others. As far as the Civil Rights Act, he opposed it for the same reason a lot of people did/do - freedom of association. That's not racist, it's based on the non-aggression principal.

Government should not be allowed to coerce people to do things they don't want to do. "Government" is just an agent of the people, so if you support the government forcing people to do something, then by extension you support my right to force you to do something you don't want to do.

And since you probably really are dull enough to buy into the "Ron Paul wants to shut down prisons and this will help black people" line. Let me explain. Ron Paul wants to shut down a huge chunk of government and scale it back, and this would simply include shutting down the prisons. In other words, releasing non-violent drug offenders is a selling point, not an actual goal.

No, it actually stems from the belief that people own their body and should be allowed to ingest whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You can disagree with that if you want, but then once again you're trying to infringe on the individual rights of your neighbors.

Scaling down government (whether a good or bad thing) has been a way of appealing to racists for several decades now.

Keep in mind that you seem to support Big Government while ignoring the fact that all of these racist laws you're talking about (slavery, Jim Crow, Miscegenation etc) were all government institutions. Yet when someone like Ron Paul says we need to limit that very government, people like you complain that we need more, despite the fact that everything government does by definition infringes on the individual rights of others.

Do you understand? The logic here is that by saying you're going to cut govt. aid, racists understand that this is going to largely affect blacks.

Far more white people are on government aid, than black people. But if you look at the culture of dependency that generational government aid has created in the black community I would say you'd have to be a racist to continue supporting it.
 
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Next time you hear someone complain about jury duty, send them there.

It's their only shot at a just legal system, and they run like a fucking ghost is chasing them.

The US, as the world's oldest living democracy, will not end well. I wish it would, as I have descendants I deeply care about. History says it will end ugly, and recent history says it will end REALLY ugly.
 
Fully Informed Jury Association

Next time you hear someone complain about jury duty, send them there.

It's their only shot at a just legal system, and they run like a fucking ghost is chasing them.

The US, as the world's oldest living democracy, will not end well. I wish it would, as I have descendants I deeply care about. History says it will end ugly, and recent history says it will end REALLY ugly.

Don't be no littel fear-monger mon
 
Some of the voters think that way, but whites are still 70% of the US, so totals wise they are the largest recipients of aid.

Also, according to studies, things like lower IQ and lower incomes correlate more with racist attitudes. Therefore, a racist white person is more likely to be an aid recipient than a non-racist one.

Yes, they are the largest by number, but not in terms of ratios. Also, you have to keep in mind WHERE certain voters are located (in the South, there may very well be an over-representation of black poverty and this affects the views of many white racist voters there). Remember, many of the less intelligent people vote based on personal anecdotes (not cold statistics), and even if whites (as an aggregate) collect more welfare, the homeless people they see everyday might in fact be mostly black.

Something else to keep in mind: many people receive government aid and STILL lash out against people they see as a drag on the system. I know people who receive govt. aid through financial aid for school, Medical and other subsidies here and there. But they don't specifically collect welfare and in their mind THOSE people are the problem. And in their minds, THOSE people have names like "Shaniqua."
 
It loses its effectiveness though (boy who cried wolf). It used to actually mean something to be called a racist, now it means nothing. It literally means "you disagree with me" so the fact that some people are racist is irrelevant.

Indeed, but whether something is “effective” has no bearing on whether or not it’s true. It is unfortunate that the race card is thrown around so often that many of the valid accusations get lost in the noise. But it doesn’t follow that an accusation must therefore be false and nothing more than an ad hominem in response to a disagreement.

Imagine a defense attorney saying: Your honor, my client is accused of (insert whatever crime you’d like). However, many people are accused of (same crime) and these accusations are false. Therefore my client is innocent.

The disconnect in logic here should be obvious.

But since you seem to believe that the common use of the race card automatically means that any accusation must therefore be false, then you have to at least entertain the idea that Ron Paul’s almost by-the-book implementation of the Southern Strategy (used by Republicans to court disgruntled Democratic racists into their camp, and subsequently turning the South into a Republican-voting bloc) tells you something about his strategy (this doesn't necessarily mean he himself is a racist, but is at least playing on racist sentiments).

All politicians receive donations from questionable sources, and many have had their names co-opted by others. As far as the Civil Rights Act, he opposed it for the same reason a lot of people did/do - freedom of association. That's not racist, it's based on the non-aggression principal.

Well certainly the donations alone shouldn't suggest he is any sort of racist (or at least race-baiting). Though the fact that white supremacists thought Paul was one of them should raise some suspicion.

Again, the other converging lines of evidence are:
-The racist newsletters with his name (from his own publication)
-His opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964
-Anecdotes a but racism from his ex-campaign members

Government should not be allowed to coerce people to do things they don't want to do. "Government" is just an agent of the people, so if you support the government forcing people to do something, then by extension you support my right to force you to do something you don't want to do.

I think it boils down to our right to pursue happiness, and the alleged fact that we were “created equal.” I am ok with the government telling someone they can’t refuse another person service merely on the basis of race. But I do understand the dangerous precedent that can set, so I can sympathize to an extent. From my POV, Ron Paul is only concerned with any sort of repression or coercion if it’s the government doing it. Otherwise, individuals/companies/markets can trample on individuals (within reason).

No, it actually stems from the belief that people own their body and should be allowed to ingest whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You can disagree with that if you want, but then once again you're trying to infringe on the individual rights of your neighbors.

I have no doubt that this is YOUR belief and YOUR reason for supporting Ron Paul. What I am saying is that this has also been the cover used by Republicans since the late 60's. I'm saying combine this with the other converging lines of evidence.

Keep in mind that you seem to support Big Government while ignoring the fact that all of these racist laws you're talking about (slavery, Jim Crow, Miscegenation etc) were all government institutions. Yet when someone like Ron Paul says we need to limit that very government, people like you complain that we need more, despite the fact that everything government does by definition infringes on the individual rights of others.

That’s the point. All of these things you pointed out happened when the government was in fact, smaller. The fact that slavery can be instituted and maintained when government is less than 10% of GDP (and combined with the fact that some of the world’s most atrocious and repressive governments are in fact, small governments) tells me that there is no real correlation between larger government and a loss of liberty. Small or large, a representative government is only as good as the people who partake in the process.

Far more white people are on government aid, than black people. But if you look at the culture of dependency that generational government aid has created in the black community I would say you'd have to be a racist to continue supporting it.

You are correct about more white people being on government services. But in terms of recipients as a percentage of a whole, it’s higher for blacks. What’s more is, while YOU and I might be aware of the former, many of the race-based voters actually think that the bulk of the welfare recipients out there are black (and there are countless caricatures out there supporting this, the most obvious of which are Reagan’s famed "welfare queen”).

You’re assuming that its “generational government aid” that created this, when there are plenty of other factors involved. But here is the thing: socioeconomic improvement actually happen s more in countries with stronger social safety nets. This is difficult to square with the “government aid hinders social improvement.” Blacks are overrepresented in the lower income brackets AND since upward mobility is less common in the US than in many (possibly most) other western nations. So I would argue that stuff like this is far more likely to be the culprit: 'Black' Names A Resume Burden?

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For the record, I am not so much “for” big government as I am skeptical of certain claims. For example, you might think I’m “for” big government because of my statements above, when in fact I’m simply dissecting your claims above (which happen to be anti-big government). Also, I don't believe an unfettered free market is the solution so many seem to think, so by default I guess it sounds like I'm for more government. If there is a 3rd and/or 4th option, let me know.
 
Merely citing the fact that the race card gets thrown around way too much does not negate the possibility of someone in fact being a racist. Especially when they:

-Have donations from Whit Supremacist organizations
-Have their names on anti-black newsletters
-Oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964

Not that I care - but feel free to enlighten me...

1. You don't think that ALL politicians have supporters who are extremists of some kind? This is irrelevant.

2. Let's assume that Paul actually wrote the newsletters. Can you show me anything, not taken out of context, that's "anti-black" or racist? You've posted links to websites with a political agenda, I haven't seen any specific evidence pointed out.

3. The Civil Rights Act has already been covered. Opposing it doesn't make you anymore "racist" than opposing "The Patriot Act" makes you a communist, opposing "The Affordable Care Act" makes you hate poor people or opposing the "Protect Internet Protocol Act" means you hate the internet.

Do you have anything substantial that would make people say "okay, he's right - Ron Paul is racist"?

I'm just curious - but not enough to go digging it up on my own. Since you seem so invested in the subject I'd love to see what you've come up with.