An-Cap Questions (From An An-Cap)…

[Andrey]

I think the most important is not to put any mind-imposed limitations. When and how it will happen. Whether or not it will happen. Whether or not it is possible.

The best we can do is just try to actualize our ideas of liberty, love, compassion, kindness in our daily lives. Both in our actions and in our thinking/feeling.This is why it is important to not forget to work on ourselves and to purify ourselves on all levels. We can only be a vessel for truth if we are not corrupted by the egoic mind, the reptilian brain.

Strong intention and effort, desire and control are the ways the old system operates. The system that we we want to be over with. We are transcending that. We are going beyond the limitations that we have collectively imposed on ourselves.

So just observe what happens and put in the best quality in each of your actions. What else can we do? =)

 

[pewep]

I don't think riots at KFC constitute a civil war.

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By giving into a "lunatic" who would "completely subjugate the residents of the stateless society."

If so then she is a poor mother.

Oh, I guess none of the French, Belgians and Polish had any good mothers since they accepted the German invasion + rule after defeat and bent over. Be realistic, no common citizen will risk their family's lives in the face of political instability. They'll just get with the program. Only hardened, iron-willed people (who are 1 in 100) would ever resist.

Please leave my mommy out of future discussions. She's touchy subject and she did her absolute best for us .

 

[dreamache]

Why don't all the ancap people pool their money and buy 10,000 acres of land from a government with full sovereignty rights

I'm reminded of a meme that I can't find... It's from office space..

"Why don't you just leave if you hate the government?"

"Why should I leave? They're the ones who suck."

Edit: The whole "if you don't like it, leave" argument is one of the oldest statist arguments in the book. It completely ignores the issue at hand.

 

[tomaszjot]

Oh, I guess none of the French, Belgians and Polish had any good mothers since they accepted the German invasion + rule after defeat and bent over. Be realistic, no common citizen will risk their family's lives in the face of political instability. They'll just get with the program. Only hardened, iron-willed people (who are 1 in 100) would ever resist.

Please leave my mommy out of future discussions. She's touchy subject and she did her absolute best for us .

Your ignorance is mind blowing. Learn some history before writing again.

Poland had not accepted invasion, few countries in Europe did. German rule has never been accepted there and many paid the highest price for that. Google Warsaw Uprising if you need some examples.

 

[JarredLv]

Oh, I guess none of the French, Belgians and Polish had any good mothers since they accepted the German invasion + rule after defeat and bent over.

Resistance during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please leave my mommy out of future discussions. She's touchy subject and she did her absolute best for us .

Don't bring someone into a discussion if you don't them want talked about. Although I'm pretty sure you don't have a mother, seeing as you're a new Xrumer prototype with advanced A.I.

 

[lukep]

They built a platform in waters that Italy owned and called it a country. It's not even close.

They were freaking 11 miles out! However the point I made wasn't about how close he was to the rule of law; it was about their response... Without warning the sent armed soldiers in, took over, then blew up the whole island!

...Could you point out the part where that wasn't a brutish action of an over-reacting thug?

Yet you defended the state's action as acceptable because he was "in their waters."

Sheesh. You may be further gone than I thought. Pretty soon you're going to be calling Beck a hippie.

I guarantee you that you could probably assemble a group of wealthy investors, establish a collective or trust totaling several hundred million dollars or even a billion, and make an "arrangement" with a very small government that needed the cash and didn't have a very big military.

Oh, I have your absolute guarantee on this, do I?

That's good enough for... Pewep.

So far we've pretty much just got Peter Thiel's cash to play with big ideas like these... Hardly the Billions it would take. In time I'm sure this will get more possible.

Eventually you could make an agreement where you could have your own "security" forces that had responsibility for the land. Other nations would view it initially as a protectorate of the parent nation, growing steadily more and more powerful, until it was its own sovereign area.

At least this shows that you are starting to think. I'm glad you were able to formulate this response. Good boy.

Now, not to discourage this line of thinking, because I approve of it, the problem then becomes that states are very evil, sneaky and very thuggish. Remember what the US did in Panama?

What kind of security would you have if one day the US comes down to your central-american host country and offers to to give them back your land if they turn a blind eye one afternoon?

This is no way to ensure safety. The threat is too large... Educating the populace really may be the only way. (But I still hold out hope for an extremely-removed seastead, or possibly moonstead.)

I've had this discussion..what? I think probably 5+ times.

I know, and you've refused to go read each and every one of those times. Very disappointing.

There is NO evidence whatsoever that another organized state would not sabotage, exploit and dominate a state that has no cohesive form of government. Period. History is on my side, biology is also on my side. It can never happen. All it takes is one lunatic with a ton of power and ambition to completely subjugate the residents of the stateless society.

What's sad here is that you clearly don't seem to be aware of the different between Ability and Motive.

You also seem to have no concept of the different of a government and the people it governs.

These are very, very different things.

And as for examples in history of anarchy working out, I'm pretty sure one of us linked you to this list before. You're just too lazy to read.

Just on the off-chance that this is the day you finally do; remember that AnCap is not even represented on that list; those societies were all quite primative compared to the advanced tactics of human organization that has gone into AnCap literatures over the years since.

In short; we could do it better now. Given enough time, we'll do it perfectly. No one is claiming that we're perfect enough yet; we're just claiming that whatever we can do now has GOT to be better than the massive evil that we're facing from our current structure of society.

 

[pewep]

Your ignorance is mind blowing. Learn some history before writing again.

Poland had not accepted invasion, few countries in Europe did. German rule has never been accepted there and many paid the highest price for that. Google Warsaw Uprising if you need some examples.

Did I say there was no resistance? Please re-read my comment, it might elucidate you further. My point was that the GENERAL populace will simply accept an invasion if:

1. The opposing force has an overwhelming amount of military strength on their side.

2. It simply would be suicidal to risk both socioeconomic and legal standing to fight against them.

This is true in every single instance where a country was occupied by a foreign force. There are countless records of people siding with the opposing army simply because it was easier and less burdensome for them.

 

[pewep]

They were freaking 11 miles out! However the point I made wasn't about how close he was to the rule of law; it was about their response... Without warning the sent armed soldiers in, took over, then blew up the whole island!

...Could you point out the part where that wasn't a brutish action of an over-reacting thug?

Yet you defended the state's action as acceptable because he was "in their waters."

Sheesh. You may be further gone than I thought. Pretty soon you're going to be calling Beck a hippie.




Oh, I have your absolute guarantee on this, do I?

That's good enough for... Pewep.

So far we've pretty much just got Peter Thiel's cash to play with big ideas like these... Hardly the Billions it would take. In time I'm sure this will get more possible.



At least this shows that you are starting to think. I'm glad you were able to formulate this response. Good boy.

Now, not to discourage this line of thinking, because I approve of it, the problem then becomes that states are very evil, sneaky and very thuggish. Remember what the US did in Panama?

What kind of security would you have if one day the US comes down to your central-american host country and offers to to give them back your land if they turn a blind eye one afternoon?

This is no way to ensure safety. The threat is too large... Educating the populace really may be the only way. (But I still hold out hope for an extremely-removed seastead, or possibly moonstead.)



I know, and you've refused to go read each and every one of those times. Very disappointing.



What's sad here is that you clearly don't seem to be aware of the different between Ability and Motive.

You also seem to have no concept of the different of a government and the people it governs.

These are very, very different things.

And as for examples in history of anarchy working out, I'm pretty sure one of us linked you to this list before. You're just too lazy to read.

Just on the off-chance that this is the day you finally do; remember that AnCap is not even represented on that list; those societies were all quite primative compared to the advanced tactics of human organization that has gone into AnCap literatures over the years since.

In short; we could do it better now. Given enough time, we'll do it perfectly. No one is claiming that we're perfect enough yet; we're just claiming that whatever we can do now has GOT to be better than the massive evil that we're facing from our current structure of society.

Refused to read? Let me be clear duckyface - I've read every single word in all of your threads and I FAIL to see your logic because as I currently interpret it, it's complete nonsense. Let's be fucking serious for a moment - how exactly is abolition an example of an anarchist state? At best it's a long stretch and at worst it's comparing apples to oranges. Your ancap group chooses the most extreme examples of political organizations and place incorrect judgements on them because you simply don't have any concrete examples. You can't come up with one single instance of a single, truly volitionary anarchist state being formed without rapidly disintegrating into separate competing and governed states. It's all theoretical, and please, I beg you, prove me wrong. Until you can unequivocally demonstrate that human being are able to manage themselves without an overseeing power, save your talk for the birds.

 

[tomaszjot]

Nevermind the fact that a corporation with a huge capital backing would be able to afford more advanced weaponry than a disorganized band of miscreants. The real problem is the fact that they can bribe, blackmail and force their way into the daily lives of the aforementioned people without any problems whatsoever. As I've said 100 times, history has proved me right and if you want, I *will* go into details.

Please go into details.

 

[dreamache]

 

[hellblazer]

They were freaking 11 miles out! However the point I made wasn't about how close he was to the rule of law; it was about their response... Without warning the sent armed soldiers in, took over, then blew up the whole island!

...Could you point out the part where that wasn't a brutish action of an over-reacting thug?

Yet you defended the state's action as acceptable because he was "in their waters."

Most of you guys are complete retards. Pewep thinks I'm agreeing with him. Dreamache thinks I'm making an, "if you don't like it, leave" argument, and you think I have some vested interest in defending what Italy did years ago. I don't really care what they did. I said it was "in their waters" to illustrate how it wasn't even close to the scenario I was suggesting, and thus a terrible comparison for you to make. Who would want to live on a freaking platform in the water?

I don't think it would work in reality, but it doesn't matter what I think. I'm saying, if the ancappians really believed it would work, why haven't they put their money where their mouth is? At the very least, it would be entertaining for the rest of us, and who knows? You could maybe prove me wrong.

Instead, the best answer I've received so far is that if somebody hypothetically did something like that, then hypothetically it would never work because the U.S. would move in and take the land back. One of the lamest answers I've seen in a while, and amusingly enough, making my own point for me.

I guess some people just want to keep their utopias in TheoryLand - where they're never tested or proven wrong or right, and where they can sit safely on their perch sneering at everyone else.

 

[lukep]

...you think I have some vested interest in defending what Italy did years ago.

Only in as much as you seem to think it's possible for an individual to buy the sovereignty of land from a nation. My example of Italy was just a historical example of what we should expect if we try.

I don't think it would work in reality, but it doesn't matter what I think. I'm saying, if the ancappians really believed it would work, why haven't they put their money where their mouth is? At the very least, it would be entertaining for the rest of us, and who knows? You could maybe prove me wrong.

Some of us, who aren't worth a billion like Thiel, are looking forward to that day, and trying right now to build the connections required to eventually make it happen.

What it would take is a massive effort of first getting a bunch of Anarchists organized. (LOL; see how the anarchists on this board are so together?) Then once you get us all to agree on one vision, (LULZ) we'd have to stop being lazy and work harder to put a lot of money into this vision.

But as you can see, even on this board, we don't all agree on a path to work on.

I guess some people just want to keep their utopias in TheoryLand - where they're never tested or proven wrong or right, and where they can sit safely on their perch sneering at everyone else.

I think some have given up, because the fight is too big; it's true. I personally haven't, I'm actually looking into multiple routes to get there.

P2P tech gives me a lot of hope. I bet in 20 years even You will be anti-state, HB. Public opinion is going to change about governments once no one is forced to take part in their economy anymore.

 

[slayerment]

Most of you guys are complete retards. Pewep thinks I'm agreeing with him. Dreamache thinks I'm making an, "if you don't like it, leave" argument, and you think I have some vested interest in defending what Italy did years ago. I don't really care what they did. I said it was "in their waters" to illustrate how it wasn't even close to the scenario I was suggesting, and thus a terrible comparison for you to make. Who would want to live on a freaking platform in the water?

I don't think it would work in reality, but it doesn't matter what I think. I'm saying, if the ancappians really believed it would work, why haven't they put their money where their mouth is? At the very least, it would be entertaining for the rest of us, and who knows? You could maybe prove me wrong.

Instead, the best answer I've received so far is that if somebody hypothetically did something like that, then hypothetically it would never work because the U.S. would move in and take the land back. One of the lamest answers I've seen in a while, and amusingly enough, making my own point for me.

I guess some people just want to keep their utopias in TheoryLand - where they're never tested or proven wrong or right, and where they can sit safely on their perch sneering at everyone else.

I actually agree with you and think it is a viable option. I am working on building a website/platform for this sole purpose. I think what needs to be figured out is more of the actual details on the implementation of something like this and an understanding of the numbers. Yeah, it's not the perfect solution but I do think it is a step in the right direction and something that we can actually do as opposed to just sit here and complain. If there is a big enough demand for something why not fill the demand and profit along the way...

 

[dreamache]

hell has frozen over, pigs have flown. i quit.

 

[JarredLv]

hell has frozen over, pigs have flown. i quit.

The end times are upon us. Goodnight sweet earth, you had so much potential. No choice left but to post random gifs.