Physicist finds computer code embedded in the equations of how universe works

[lukep]

That's what you're assuming, that when A happens B occurs. But your argument falls apart when both A and B exist simultaneously for an infinitesimally minute amount of "time", which could very well be a possibility. In fact a universe could have existed right now as I type the letter A and flashed out of existence again because everything happened at the same time.

To you. I said proximity.

If a coder who programmed the entire universe is running "us," what's to stop him from running others at the same time up in his universe? Or his neigbors running others?

Or the programmer that programmed HIS universe?

You're never going to even detect one level up, so don't imagine for a second it's possible to peer all the way up to the top level.

The laws of that universe could be incredibly different. Gravity may be food there.

Forces emerging? A novel idea, not sure how that would even go about happening because it would have to emerge within ALL universes at the same time.

And you know that the # and type of forces are tied to all possible universes because.... ?

When your senses can't detect anything outside of this universe, then you are in effect making wild guesses about the forces of all other universes.

This also doesn't include the fact that depending on which reference frame (if this is even applicable) the universe is being observed, it may last for an incredibly long amount of time, or it might blip in and out of existence in a nanosecond.

I'm glad you can see that they can exist independently of each other too. so infinity just got even bigger, hence more chances to spawn a harry potter.

 

[pewep]

To you. I said proximity.

If a coder who programmed the entire universe is running "us," what's to stop him from running others at the same time up in his universe? Or his neigbors running others?

Or the programmer that programmed HIS universe?

You're never going to even detect one level up, so don't imagine for a second it's possible to peer all the way up to the top level.

The laws of that universe could be incredibly different. Gravity may be food there.



And you know that the # and type of forces are tied to all possible universes because.... ?

When your senses can't detect anything outside of this universe, then you are in effect making wild guesses about the forces of all other universes.



I'm glad you can see that they can exist independently of each other too. so infinity just got even bigger, hence more chances to spawn a harry potter.

**ACTUALLY luke, and this is important and very cutting edge and pretty exciting - we CAN detect other universes because of the effect that they have on gravity. Scientists think the reason gravity is so weak is because it "leaks" out of this universe and can travel through the bulk. Don't ask me how, I'm only an undergrad and this is Ph.D. shit.

2. A universe that would be able to simulate us would have to have the capability of storing every single detectable universe that we can approximate exists within one system. That means it would also have to process information at an unimaginable speed (as in, to render and run the universe in real time, it would have to have particles that move SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the speed of light). Let's assume that's possible, or perhaps in their reference frame it would seem like our clock is very "slow" and they are going normally.

You're definitely not talking about a "physical" universe at this point. The laws of physics simply make it impossible for such a "super" universe to exist. You cannot accelerate to the speed of light or beyond. You'd have to go esoteric on me and assume it's some kind of spiritual world where all things are possible. And I guess that's one way of seeing what I believe is the source of all creation.

 

[dchuk]

At this point I'm afraid we are arguing semantics.

Almost surely - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In an infinite universe, the event you describe as "humans existing with dinosaurs" is almost surely happening right this moment somewhere in the universe.

we're honestly just arguing about pictures in the clouds at this point so I'll agree to stop if you do

 

[productionhead]

pewep, you are the source. You've never been separate from it. I love you.

 

[lukep]

**ACTUALLY luke, and this is important and very cutting edge and pretty exciting - we CAN detect other universes because of the effect that they have on gravity. Scientists think the reason gravity is so weak is because it "leaks" out of this universe and can travel through the bulk. Don't ask me how, I'm only an undergrad and this is Ph.D. shit.

I said you. Again, proximity.

Just because we will eventually be able to detect 1+ universes out there other than our own doesn't mean that we can know what their laws are or even count them all. (For instance, what if gravity works in reverse half the time (i.e. an antimatter universe) and that ones' negative weight cancels out our detection of another universes' positive weight?) Or they are just different sizes, or simply too far away? It's insane to think we can detect them all from here from gravity signatures alone.

You're definitely not talking about a "physical" universe at this point. The laws of physics simply make it impossible for such a "super" universe to exist.

If it holds the exact laws to the same amounts as our viewable universe does. Again, don't assume that.

You'd have to go esoteric on me and assume it's some kind of spiritual world where all things are possible.

Which all comes back to different laws. I don't care if you call it "Spiritual" or "Matter deficient..." If one other universe exists above, below, or beside this one with different laws, then via infinity, you have infinite sets of oddball universes held together by all kinds of incomprehensible laws... And therefore Harry Potter.

 

[pewep]

I said you. Again, proximity.

Just because we will eventually be able to detect 1+ universes out there other than our own doesn't mean that we can know what their laws are or even count them all. (For instance, what if gravity works in reverse half the time (i.e. an antimatter universe) and that ones' negative weight cancels out our detection of another universes' positive weight?) Or they are just different sizes, or simply too far away? It's insane to think we can detect them all from here from gravity signatures alone.



If it holds the exact laws to the same amounts as our viewable universe does. Again, don't assume that.


Which all comes back to different laws. I don't care if you call it "Spiritual" or "Matter deficient..." If one other universe exists above, below, or beside this one with different laws, then via infinity, you have infinite sets of oddball universes held together by all kinds of incomprehensible laws... And therefore Harry Potter.

We have already detected and simulated the universes that can exist. Most of what we're doing at this point is pure speculation and it's tantamount to saying there may be purple unicorns on the other side of the moon. Can't be proven or disproven, but by default the unicorn doesn't exist until you can show evidence for the existence of such a being.

No universe that adheres to our exact laws can "simulate" us for reasons already stated. As I said, no object can be accelerated to the speed of light.

We know a limited amount of things, true, but that helps us to rule out a large number of very improbable or impossible things. Harry potter cannot exist in the Bulk as we know it. There's more to detection of other universes than just gravity, i was just telling you one example off the top of my head.

 

[lukep]

Harry potter cannot exist in the Bulk as we know it.

That's all I'm saying bro... We just don't know it all. Revelations like the one in the OP open up new ways that the universe might not even be what we're detecting at all.

 

[pewep]

Well, then you can't say he exists. The question of his existence is inconclusive, ergo until you can show it is possible for forces to spontaneous form - he is nothing. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Bupkis. Zero.

P.S. - Look up the astral plane.

 

[lukep]

It's too late for this shit... Still too many assumptions pewep, but I'll have to refute them another day.

 

[REIMktg]

With all of this Quantum revelation how can so many around here be so absolute in their determination that there is no God?

 

[cassius]

(read, 99.999% of universes),

99.999% of infinity, eh?

 

[kingofsp]

If you really knew how hopeless of a task designing AI was then this wouldn't even be a debate. I doubt that it's even possible to create an intelligence that is equal to that of a monkey, let alone a human. We are simply not smart enough (currently anyway, who knows, maybe it is within the realm of human ingenuity, i'm casting my vote that it's not though).

Bro have you heard of Siri?

 

[mattseh]

With all of this Quantum revelation how can so many around here be so absolute in their determination that there is no God?

We are trying (some posters here are straying a bit) to rely on science, here buddy.

BBC iPlayer - Horizon: 2010-2011: What Happened Before the Big Bang?

This will need a UK IP, but it's very interesting. There might be a torrent of it lying around?

 

[crackp0t]

Bro have you heard of Siri?

Siri is pretty poor AI.

 

[REIMktg]

We are trying (some posters here are straying a bit) to rely on science, here buddy.

BBC iPlayer - Horizon: 2010-2011: What Happened Before the Big Bang?

This will need a UK IP, but it's very interesting. There might be a torrent of it lying around?

I'll look for it. I know we are opposed in ideas, but I am always willing to take in more info.

 

[lukep]

With all of this Quantum revelation how can so many around here be so absolute in their determination that there is no God?

I'm only absolute in that the christian sky-daddy god can't possibly exist with the laws of the universe we observe. In fact I don't really know of any atheists who have ever uttered the words "NOTHING can possibly exist like a god," that would be extremely pig-headed and I think the religious assume we are saying that when we point out that their personal gods are childish.

A neckbearded coder running us on his PC is far more likely than a skydaddy.

Even just some kids in our future 'playing' us on their playstation 17... Those explanations make sense, and kinda seem likely to me even, but there is no logical reason whatsoever that we would have any kind of a caring sky daddy watching over us, caring about us like any religions I know would have you believe... That's just self-centered Santa fluff.