Arbi as sustainable cashflow option?

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I'm not a programmer, and no blackhat - so I have none of the skills required to do arbi 2.0 via scraping, etc.

What I do is simple - I still do basic stupid arb pages w/ worthless content in lots of niches. I use Looksmart or other 3rd tier sites to advertise and do arbi on (google really seems to only care about Adwords-> adsense arbi). Once I find a niche w/ a good CTR and PPC, I build it into a content site w/ as many sub niches of that main niche as I can find.

I use keyword elite and other programs for this. Basicall if you find 'widgets' to be profitable, type in 'widgets' into a kw program and you will find people searched for 'blue widgets' 'red widgets' 'polka dot widgets', ..... hundreds of little subniches.

I then contract out article writers for articles on each of these subniches. At least 200 words per sub niche, but if it is an important subniche then 500 words.

I then build a boring content site - each niche as a seperate page in typical arbi style, but I also link to the rest of my site. Afterwards I then set up seperate campaigns for each page, like typical arbi is done. I like to bid for terms like 'Buy widgets' and then have a page with lots of good information on buying widgets- people come looking to buy widgets, but don't see a place to buy widgets and click on the links. If they decide to browse my site, thats fine too.

Good content site with articles on everything related to niches, with original articles that are not just scraped bullshit and worthwhile for users to read, but set up in arbi fashion.

There you go - simple process, easy to do, takes a little $$$ if you don't want to write the articles yourself though. Find a good niche though that pays over $1/click, bid max of 7 cents or whatever, advertise not only on adwords but on 3rd tier sites as well - and you have hundreds of pages making a few bucks or more a day.

Not too bad!
 
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Reefer do you use some kind of CMS for posting the content (Wordpress, joomla ... ) or just go the old HTML way with Dreamweaver ?

Where do you get your landing pages or you design for yourself ?
 
well I still use crappy NetObjects Fusion (dumbed down dreamweaver but cheap). I just got a copy of Dreamweaver though, will learn my way around it if I ever get time.

I just love outsourcing - for $500 or less I hire some guys in india to take the article I paid to have written and turn them into a nice looking site. A site might cost me about $500- $1000 to make, but if you are making even $100 a day on it thats not much. If you dont' have the cash do it yourself - its not hard to build a basic site like I was talking about. I didn't even have graphics on mine for a while - and in fact one of my favorite pages is a stupid ugly 200 word article I wrote about a niche - no graphics with adsense to the top left. I have a 35% ctr and make about $5/day on that page... I forgot about it for about 6 months and realized I wasn't even paying more than 5 cents a click on Looksmart for the traffic :)

I then took that and built it into a larger niche site like above.

If you can't do it yourself, go to rentacoder.com or similar sites to outsource.
 
krazyjosh5 said:
and can you serve 100 niches off of one domain (using subdomains)?

and is there an automated way to fill up an adwords account with bids on long tail keywords?

(i promise thats it!.. for now)
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In the last months I got to the point that if I put in the effort to make even only 2 pages which are interlinked to one another and they have some kind of half decent content in them I then buy a domain for it, regardless of the money it brought back or whatever the niche is.
Might then even add a banner header and a contact form and a site map and it becomes a site. Then I forget about it until I add a page or two..
I am finding that the more pages, the more people get confused so I am concentrating on max three pages per site. However, all sites are interlinked.
 
halfpc said:
In the last months I got to the point that if I put in the effort to make even only 2 pages which are interlinked to one another and they have some kind of half decent content in them I then buy a domain for it, regardless of the money it brought back or whatever the niche is.
Might then even add a banner header and a contact form and a site map and it becomes a site. Then I forget about it until I add a page or two..
I am finding that the more pages, the more people get confused so I am concentrating on max three pages per site. However, all sites are interlinked.
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Thats a good one too - I haven't broken down my sites into smaller sites yet (as in the Bluehatseo method), but I could see that if you interlink all pages of your sites together, then promote each of those sites seperately, you would have a stronger organic ranking and more free traffic.
 
Hi reefer,

Thanks for your post. Very inspirational to us all non-coders :)
If you don't mind sharing, how much are you making off your system now?
 
The question is arbi a sustainable income? No. It's predicitive gambling based on unpredictive gamblers (consumers) and dealers (search networks) holding the cards. You can't have something sustainable long term, that is based on something unpredictable.
 
Blastyourass said:
The question is arbi a sustainable income? No. It's predicitive gambling based on unpredictive gamblers (consumers) and dealers (search networks) holding the cards. You can't have something sustainable long term, that is based on something unpredictable.
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Well what I was talking about isn't really arbi like what was going on before the big google crackdown, with scraped content and autogenerated pages - this is a content site with real and helpful articles, but broken down into individual ad campaigns for each page, for which you are paying less per click than you are getting from the clicks on your site.
 
Reefer420 said:
Well what I was talking about isn't really arbi like what was going on before the big google crackdown, with scraped content and autogenerated pages - this is a content site with real and helpful articles, but broken down into individual ad campaigns for each page, for which you are paying less per click than you are getting from the clicks on your site.
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exactly. I didn't even know there was such a thing as "arbi" before joining this site.
To me it is more to do with knowing where to buy cheap and then knowing someone that's willing to pay a bit more than i paid.
I did this for a living even before the net existed, buying and selling.
I like doing it with the net because I get to trade in clicks and it happens on auto.
 
I hear ya 420 but it still arbi. If your playing the PPC game and bidding low to get higher clicks, its called arbi. Just like gambling and the stock market.
There is nothing wrong with that and you can provide value but it in no way sustainable.

The goal would be to get these conetnt sites to rank with adsense and make money that way with multiple sites. There are many, many people who make a living off of adsense/content sites in the organic searches.

The most popular is Plentyoffish.com Free Online Dating Service & Dating Site. $10,000 a day in adsense earnings. But it took him years of work but he did so by thinking outside the box and doing something different in a HIGHLY competitive arena, dating.

I think the biggest adsense player is engaged on here from what I was told. I would love to hear from him but he's hush hush and I don't blame him. It is so competitive doing arbi.

Just from me revealing my niche on WF. I think 100 fucken people jumped in it and started doing arbi there. It's comedy. That's why people keep the cards to their chest when the game is still in play.



Reefer420 said:
Well what I was talking about isn't really arbi like what was going on before the big google crackdown, with scraped content and autogenerated pages - this is a content site with real and helpful articles, but broken down into individual ad campaigns for each page, for which you are paying less per click than you are getting from the clicks on your site.
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From my experience, I suggest that you avoid adsense for doing arbitrage. Depending on your target niche, try AuctionAds, amazon's omakase links and even slap in a pay-per-visitor ad. (nowadays, you will most likely get banned from adsense)

If you are a non-english speaker, try to brutally abuse the keyword variations in your native language in a way only you can know. Want an example?

When I joined for ebay's affiliate program, I found out that I couldnt bid on "ebay". Then BLAM! OUTOFTHEBOXTHINKING
The biggest auction site in Greece, is fleamarket.gr I bidded on its name, along with greek equivalents of "auction".
My ad basically said "Fleamarket sucks, try eBay"

I single handedly saturated this niche :)
Dont bother copying it, its hardly profitable now. But, try to learn from it.
 
Shit what about exploiting ebonics for arbi? Holmes for man, cheddar for money, cuz for friend, rolling for driving, dat for that....... Jon, can you roll out your 50,000 ebonic keyword list plz.
 
glowleaf said:
From my experience, I suggest that you avoid adsense for doing arbitrage. Depending on your target niche, try AuctionAds, amazon's omakase links and even slap in a pay-per-visitor ad. (nowadays, you will most likely get banned from adsense)

If you are a non-english speaker, try to brutally abuse the keyword variations in your native language in a way only you can know. Want an example?

When I joined for ebay's affiliate program, I found out that I couldnt bid on "ebay". Then BLAM! OUTOFTHEBOXTHINKING
The biggest auction site in Greece, is fleamarket.gr I bidded on its name, along with greek equivalents of "auction".
My ad basically said "Fleamarket sucks, try eBay"

I single handedly saturated this niche :)
Dont bother copying it, its hardly profitable now. But, try to learn from it.
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yeah well, I did that in 5 languages for a long time, plenty of money made and then adwords started telling me that my landing pages were crap but my landing pages were Ebay themselves.
Now if you look for the English word "auction" at ebay.it you will find some tosser who thinks in italy they look for english keywords and they expect to find ads in the spanish language!!!
Still, adwords are happy with his badly written nonsensic ads who lead into ebay.it but I cannot have nice ones as they hit me with $10.00 per click. The same was happening all over europe and south america last I checked.
This guy's making a killer and I am watching.
Fucking bullshit of the highest density. Or mafia and corruption more like it..
 
I like this discussion. Well, I have been doing some arbi, and have gotten mixed results. However, my question(s) along the lines of discussion are:

Is there a tool that I can use to put up simple sites real easily and quick?

Hosting: I was thinking of purchasing Hostgators' $10/mo plan, willl this be sufficient in order to do arbi, with me using unlimited domains that the package offers?
 
Let me add some more to the discussion:
Is arbitrage a sustainable cashflow option? Highly unlikely. Arbi exploits opportunities and inconsistencies in the market. What usually happens is that other people exploit that too, or the law guys patch it up.

How should I make arbi landing pages? Depends. If its a sales page, make it look nice. Give 4 max 5 links, related to the sale, testimonials etc.
If you are simply making profit from clicks, make it ugly. Make it seem broken, i.e. images on text, html lines right in the middle of everything. You will be surprised how fast that makes a visitor click an ad and go away.

One last thing, if you are selling, not expecting money from ads I mean, but actually selling a product, try adcenter from microsoft. The traffic is lower, but the cost is too. And it seems to convert better.

halfpc, im glad other people here think like me. But why didnt you try other ad networks as well? Or even banners on local sites? Or posting in a local forum saying, "guys, I ditched fleamarket.gr and went to ebay, and its great, more pro etc. You can sign up here, and enjoy your shopping"
 
jened said:
this isn't fucking rocket science boys
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you say it is rocket science, and I do agree. But, before you just tee off on people, think how a noob would see all of this. Or should they just take your cavalier way of thinking and dump valuable dollars into a campaign when they could have gotten the information to produce better campaigns? Its always easy for someone who understands something to look down with disdain on those who don't.
 
glowleaf said:
Let me add some more to the discussion:
Is arbitrage a sustainable cashflow option? Highly unlikely. Arbi exploits opportunities and inconsistencies in the market. What usually happens is that other people exploit that too, or the law guys patch it up.

How should I make arbi landing pages? Depends. If its a sales page, make it look nice. Give 4 max 5 links, related to the sale, testimonials etc.
If you are simply making profit from clicks, make it ugly. Make it seem broken, i.e. images on text, html lines right in the middle of everything. You will be surprised how fast that makes a visitor click an ad and go away.

One last thing, if you are selling, not expecting money from ads I mean, but actually selling a product, try adcenter from microsoft. The traffic is lower, but the cost is too. And it seems to convert better.

halfpc, im glad other people here think like me. But why didnt you try other ad networks as well? Or even banners on local sites? Or posting in a local forum saying, "guys, I ditched fleamarket.gr and went to ebay, and its great, more pro etc. You can sign up here, and enjoy your shopping"
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you know, I just found another good little money earner today and I have to say the more I do this the more I find I am walking along the same old path that some other marketers have already walked and some new ones will walk along tomorrow.
There isn't any alike thinking, just some limited ways that we are all making any money from. This is a good thing to be aware of. It means that they are out there, and it's up to us finding them. I wasn't brainstorming either, just browsing some affiliate programs.
glowleaf, I am on all networks, or most of them. When I get back from the seaside I am trying Excite and that's the last one I can think of.

With MSN I must be missing something but at 10 UK PENCE minimun click they are TWICE as expensive as the most expensive network. And there is no traffic, so I put them at the back of the Q for things to try.
But there's so many things to try, the sky is the limit.
 
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