After losing 6K in the stock market, I decided to do this instead

manihatethis

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hey everyone. I initially made this account because a bunch of guys on reddit ( secretagentdad) said it's a decent place to discuss seo and other related topics as opposed to being mislead at BH and warrior forum.

I lost a shit load of money ( 6k is a lot to me) playing with stocks and just sold out my remaining shares because I don't see it coming around soon.
Right now I have about 4k that I can "lose" without it affecting me in any way and after reading a number of threads on here I plan on doing the following:

1) Register 25 EMD with a minimum CPC of 2 and exact search of 2500 low-medium difficulty. I had a few EMDs but broke privacy laws a couple of times ( Low competition, 30k exact domain with affiliate links) so I had to turn them off
2) For each EMD, I plan on adding 10 pages with original content. Use adsense and only one amazon affiliate link at the end of each page for that product ( if it is a product)
3) Spend a MAXIMUM of $70 per website ( mostly SEO related as I will be doing the writing myself. ). Total cost = 1750 + domain registeration = 2000

Goal from 25 websites for the next three months

a) Best case scenario is to make an average of 1/day/website. 25*30 = $750
b) Expected results = ~.50 cents/website/day . .30*25*30 = $375
c) time frame for not fucking up and getting back my initial investment = 4 months

I am sharing this plan based on some case studies and you'll agree when I say that I've made conservative estimates.

Stuff I need help with

1) Some low competition keywords with 1000+ exact local searches show a CPC of $6-$8. The weird part is that the competitor site doesnt show ads that relate to the niche (adsense) and the ads are the sucky types <1. Am I being mislead into thinking that these kw have high cpc?
2) Should I use the same theme? I am thinking about a CTR-ish theme although CTR is not the best looking one out there. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks for reading and btw, my username is meant for the process of signing up to click links and has nothing to do with my views on SEO. I love this shit
 
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I made this same journal awhile ago so helpin you out:

1. Look at the Adwords competition in addition to the CPC. High Adwords competition = lots of Ads. Low Adwords competition means the CPC might be a fluke.

2. No. Randomize them.

Good luck man!
 
thanks, I know you are selling your service for niches but do you have a guide that goes with it? 50 bucks for a bunch of good keywords is the best deal around this forum. A couple others are $12/keyword and secretagentdad's $30/keyword which is the highest of all. Not sure which way to go
 
Looks like you're serious about this, I suggest you get into thevault.bz. I don't have any invites right now but you can get in on their IRC channel AFAIK. They have enough seo training material that'll last you a lifetime
 
hey clyde, where do you get how competitive your keyword is in terms of other people paying for ads? I dont see that in the google keyword tools.

For example: random kw like "ABA" has a high CPC but I dont know who is bidding for that term. Where do you check this?
 
manihatethis said:
hey clyde, where do you get how competitive your keyword is in terms of other people paying for ads? I dont see that in the google keyword tools.

For example: random kw like "ABA" has a high CPC but I dont know who is bidding for that term. Where do you check this?
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do a google search for the keyword and see who the advertisers are
 
manihatethis said:
thanks, I know you are selling your service for niches but do you have a guide that goes with it? 50 bucks for a bunch of good keywords is the best deal around this forum. A couple others are $12/keyword and secretagentdad's $30/keyword which is the highest of all. Not sure which way to go
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I'd highly suggest going with secretagentdad's keywords

I bought a few of his keywords and he over delivered and they were all spot on EMDs that attract buyers

I bought one of those $12 EMDs and i got some shit like abusedanimals.net (such a terrible EMD that I couldn't even give it away, its still available)

the EMD will be the foundation of your website and if it is a crappy EMD with no buyer potential, it probably won't make money
 
yeah i was going to make a website that would feature reviews for the best products. best products = shit that ranks very very high in amazon. I feel that as far as revenue is concerned, I can make more money with smaller sites rather than focus on an authority site that might take a few years to catch up.

If I review a best selling laptop chances are that there are 100 review sites with PR7+ doing the same shit. It's not worth the effort when I can instead make 10 sites in the same matter of time.

Adevcitus, I'm gonna have to go with SAD's service even though it'll cost me a little more. Hopefully it'll pay off.
 
Are you familiar with recent google updates? Are you sure you are going to be able to just throw $70 worth of links at each site and rank them? Even if you can do that, how do you know which combination of links you need to buy in order to rank your site? You say you need 4 months to return you investment. What if google throws out another pingvin or panda in next 4 months (which will most certainly happen) and smack your sites?

Don't you think it is better to build one larger site? Pick a niche, make few categories, trow 10 articles at each category and threat every article like one small site?

You say it is going to be faster, that you need few years to start ranking with one large site. That is true if you are aiming for one short tail keyword. But if you make 50 articles on that larger site and start building links to each, I am sure you will start ranking for some long tail keywords in no time. Also, do really need money that fast that you need your money back in 4 months?

I am not trying to preach you or anything, I just want to say that I regret that I did not start building one larger site two years ago when I started. Instead I fucked around with shitty tools, shitty services and even when I ranked my small shitty sites I got slapped with first google update. If I started building one bigger site two years ago, I would be making now some serious money.
 
Hey profitodie, I like your views on a having a larger site as opposed to 10 smaller ones but the fact of the matter is that making a dozen successive sites has an advantage of being able to sell them off if I feel that i can't keep them steady in SERP. On flippa, it's pretty easy to sell a website making 100/month for 500+.

Maintaining one site could be easier for linking/ranking issues as my focus wont be divided 20 fold between other projects.But what if I spend $500 on one guy and end up with pennies a day? I do have an authority site in the works that'll use white hat methods to rank but that's just an experiment. For now, Im trying to make adsense money ( even though it's small).

Can you care to offer a few tips that you wish had been known to you at the start of this line of work? thanks
 
Sorry about your 6k loss, But looks like your on the right track to making it back!

Best of luck, going to follow this thread and see how you do!

Often websites can sell for 10x their monthly revenue.
 
lesson one:

don't scale something until you know it works.

making 25 sites at once is a huge task, and unless you have done something similar in the past, you will be putting yourself in a situation where your mistakes are 25X more costly than they need to be.

pick one site. rank it. see if you can get some money out of it.

if you can, rinse and repeat.

if not, you still have enough money to try again, this time with two sites, so that you can split test a theory about why your first site failed.

unless you have experience building sites and ranking them, your timeframe is wholly unrealistic, and your projection math is nice, but it doesn't mean anything until you get a site on the board.
 
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lesson one:

don't scale something until you know it works.

making 25 sites at once is a huge task, and unless you have done something similar in the past, you will be putting yourself in a situation where your mistakes are 25X more costly than they need to be.

pick one site. rank it. see if you can get some money out of it.

if you can, rinse and repeat.

if not, you still have enough money to try again, this time with two sites, so that you can split test a theory about why your first site failed.

unless you have experience building sites and ranking them, your timeframe is wholly unrealistic, and your projection math is nice, but it doesn't mean anything until you get a site on the board.
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Well stated, Don't bite off more than you can chew.

Sometimes if you hurry too much you'll end up stretched too thin.

I once took on too many projects.. at the end of the month my net income was $20.... when I concentrated on one thing my net income was $1000!
 
thanks for the comments. Here is the reason why I always dragged my feet when it came to IM. If the money is so easy then why don't I hear about successes especially from guys that have been doing it for a while? The answer that I've cooked up is that there is a whole lot of talking and very little doing - something I'm guilty of myself.

I spent a lot of time reading threads from 2007 and onward and it's surprising how the websites that some people posted in their comments are no longer existing or they are just sitting around waiting for someone to click the godaddy ads. Too many projects are being abandoned even by the megaposters. I'll try not to not fall into that category..
 
Yes, Don't fall into the trap of complacency.
Always strive to do more, complete your projects.

I use to drag my feet too, but then I got serious and then I finally started to actually make money online.
 
I'm a fellow noob, having only a few sites myself made in the last two months, but I found that the Contextual Targeting Tool within the Google Keyword Tool gives you the most accurate actual CPC rates.

Contextual Target Tool value * 68% = your share. (The other 32% goes to Google.)

I wish I'd known this when I started my first site, where the "advertised" CPC was $2, but there was so little ad inventory that irrelevant bottomfeeder ads were being served, and I was only earning $0.07 - $.25 per click at an atrocious CTR.

It sucks to be gung-ho about a site, build it to where it gets 400+ hits a day within the first few weeks, make fancy spreadsheets estimating what you think you'll earn, and then be completely disappointed.
 
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