lol creationists

[IceToEskimos]

I wonder if a study exists that compares belief/prayer to a God and the confidence attained compared to no belief in a God.

Basically, does prayer and having an all powerful entity to pray/talk to boost the levels of confidence/abilities of a person?

Anyone want to weigh in on this?

This reminds me of the "higher power" principle found in most 12-step programs. The purpose of the higher power in a 12 step program is to elevate something above the neophyte. It doesn't matter what that something is, so long as the person is able to place it above themselves. The intended effect is one of ego deflation, and once it has been sufficiently achieved it's infinitely easier to make progress. The ego can be a terrific hindrance in a lot of ways, and I think that for some people, belief in a higher power relieves them of the burden of carrying their own ego around all of the time.

 

[wickedDUDE]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HrWJKWCeTE]Kent Hovind gets schooled - The end of YEC - YouTube[/ame]

 

[IceToEskimos]

Kent Hovind gets schooled - The end of YEC - YouTube

Hovind is a guest of the government these days...

 

[guerilla]

While perception of reality is of course relative, is reality itself relative?

Reality is not relative, but our minds are unique and subjective.

I've seen you step into religious threads before and it's usually all style and no substance (like in your initial post here).

I have no idea what this bullshit means. Is it just bullshit, or do you have something to say?

Judgment by definition is an analysis of evidence; mankind would be in a very poor position if we didn't judge other things and other people.

You can't judge the subjective objectively.

Likewise, theists should be dutifully judged (like atheists) in order to analyze the evidence and attempt to uncover truth about the nature of reality and how we function in it.

Why?

I wouldn't call these people hypocrites or assholes.

You're welcome not to.

 

[monies]

You guys need to realize the fundamental problem is that religion is built on emotional attachments. You're trying to disprove it using evidence even though their belief wasn't built on evidence in the first place.

Guerilla and eskimo grow a pair of balls. The ongoing debate of relgion vs atheism is a healthy one for intellectual progress. Yes there is a element of ego on both sides but which argument doesn't? It's natural for one to be emotionally charged about their views and as long as people are presenting valid points WHO GIVES A FUCK.

If everyone kept ideas to themselves no progress would've ever been made in history. You might not be able to see the contribution for the progress of ideas in a few threads, but I guarantee you all the millions of threads combined have sparked a change of perspective for quite a few people, encouraging them to question their original beliefs (whether religious or irreligious) and progress towards the truth.

I don't like to participate in online debates myself, but the people who look down upon healthy discussions, even if it is emotionally charged, are the actual fools.

 

[clyde]

Eric Hovind OFFICIALLY accepts atheism is true and accurate - YouTube

This is why that reply was appropriate.

There's nothing to "debate" when the other side only has assumptions.

 

[guerilla]

You guys need to realize the fundamental problem is that religion is built on emotional attachments.

Cognitive psychologists are pretty sure that every value we have is based on emotional attachment, and more often than not, we use reason and evidence ex post facto to justify our emotional impulses.

Guerilla and eskimo grow a pair of balls.

You're a peasant. Don't presume you can talk to me like you know me.

 

[clyde]

Reality is not relative, but our minds are unique and subjective.

Define "minds", then prove it exists.

 

[mattseh]

You're a peasant. Don't presume you can talk to me like you know me.

It sucks when people talk down to you, right?

 

[monies]

You're a peasant. Don't presume you can talk to me like you know me.

BACKLINK GURU IS DA BOSS

whatever man, i'm out of this thread

 

[lwbco]

 

[IceToEskimos]

Guerilla and eskimo grow a pair of balls. The ongoing debate of relgion vs atheism is a healthy one for intellectual progress. Yes there is a element of ego on both sides but which argument doesn't?

I don't know which argument doesn't, but I'm strongly considering adding that as my sig.

As far as balls are concerned, I'll save mine for situations where they are actually needed. You can have the armchair philosophy/junior internet debate circuit all to yourself.

If arguing with people who can not, by virtue of the very position they contend, be swayed by any presentation of evidence no matter how overwhelming, passes for "intellectual progress" in your world, good for you. I need something a little less futile in order to be fulfilled.

If atheists would stop and consider that the spectrum of religious belief extends upward to include individuals who are totally prepared to die in the name of their religion, they might begin to grasp the magnitude of the thing they are trying to kill with diagrams and mathematics.

Again, how a group that prides itself on "rational thought" is unable to understand the mechanism of faith so completely is beyond me. The need to feel intellectually superior to someone must be so overwhelming for "atheists" that they reach for the lowest hanging fruit they can find, never stopping to consider that it is inedible.

 

[guerilla]

It sucks when people talk down to you, right?

It would if I cared what other people think.

Am I supposed to care what guys like you and this guy think? LOL

whatever man, i'm out of this thread

Wait, weren't you the guy telling ME to grow a pair of balls?

 

[mattseh]

It would if I cared what other people think.

Am I supposed to care what guys like you and this guy think? LOL

From your responses, it seems to me like you do. You reacted to him by calling him a peasant, so it seems that he got to you.

 

[Moxie]

Values and our perception of reality are completely subjective,

Relativist fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and anyone who has trouble coming to terms with the fact that other people have different opinions and ideas is probably a small minded idiot,

A scientific look at an issue like this is about facts and evidence. Colleges have plenty of religious and cultural studies courses. Within those courses it might make sense to look at Bible verses about taxes and tithing, but those verses on their own provide nothing in the way of facts to use in economics class. Most economics teachers are probably aware of Bible-inspired "opinions and ideas" about money, but when it comes to actually looking at probabilities and such, they need concrete numbers to look at, which cannot be had out of the Bible.

The ongoing debate of relgion vs atheism

Well, the thread was about creationists. Catholicism is the largest Christian denomination and the Vatican is rather open now to evolution.

 

[guerilla]

You reacted to him by calling him a peasant, so it seems that he got to you.

I called him a peasant because he is a peasant.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

You're also a peasant, but I know you know that, so no need to point it out.

 

[IceToEskimos]

shit jess

ica biel

 

[guerilla]

I normally have you on ignore, but I knew this would be good fun. Call it intuition.

Relativist fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If that was to apply, I would have to claim that reality is subjective. I didn't say that. I said our perception of reality is subjective.

Huge difference. You can do better Moxie, this is why I have you on my ignore list.

A scientific look at an issue like this is about facts and evidence.

Yes, please show me facts and evidence. Well, actually don't bother for me because I am going to go back to ignoring you, but feel free to post them someone else to digest.

Colleges have plenty of religious and cultural studies courses.

And this means what? Why does it matter that a college has any course about anything?

Within those courses it might make sense to look at Bible verses about taxes and tithing, but those verses on their own provide nothing in the way of facts to use in economics class. Most economics teachers are probably aware of Bible-inspired "opinions and ideas" about money, but when it comes to actually looking at probabilities and such, they need concrete numbers to look at, which cannot be had out of the Bible.

Bla blab b;ablabla blablabal bablabla

If I am going to bother to read AND respond to one your posts, you could at least get the fallacy right, or barring that, you could at least say something worth reading.

Christ.

 

[mattseh]

You're also a peasant, but I know you know that, so no need to point it out.

I am currently not in a basement. I am living by the beach. It rocks.

 

[lwbco]

guerilla, please call me sometime, i want to catch up. i miss your warm touch on my back at night. we need to reignite the flame we used to have. we can rekindle lost love, bro.

i could skype you but if you were to reject me i could bear through the pain alone. this really needs to be a public appeal. everyone else must know.

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