FUCK YOU DEA
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Well I'm sure you'll be happy to know that the American Academy of Pediatrics recently lowered the recommended age of Ritalin use to 4 years old.
ADHD guidelines add Ritalin as option for 4-year-olds - Health - CBC News
I completely blew up when I found this, and ended up starting a huge debate throughout our pharmaceutical sciences cohort.
Rest assured, once I'm through medicine and practicing I will be telling any of my patients that want amphetamines prescribed to their children to solve their inadequate parenting issues to go fuck themselves.
ADD = 90% of the time because teachers and parents are no longer allowed to beat their kids in America.
ADD = dull schools trying to compete with keeping the attention of youth against billion dollar industries like internet companies, cellphone companies, video game companies, and the greatest opiate of them all, television
I'm 10 and don't want to be in school I wanna go outside and play with my friends.. YOU MUST BE ADHD! YOURE SUPPOSED TO WANT TO SIT THROUGH CLASS AND LEARN SHIT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT.
If you don't think children have attention span problems these days you're retarded. But the solution is not drugs, just discipline and weening off of technology.
I think this is actually part of the problem. When I was in grade school the paddle was intimidating as fuck. Any time a kid got paddled you could hear it resonating in the hallways all over the school, followed by screams and crying, lol.
I just read this thread and all the opinionated bullshit being slung about.
I've got credentials and I'm racking up the years working at a residential treatment center for teens and it's not the case that:
"teacher's don't want to manage classrooms," or
"there's no psychiatric or psychological disorder going on," or
"they are just kids, that's how kids act," or
"psychiatrists just want to make bank."
There IS a problem going on, and it's being called ADD and ADHD, but it's really a constellation of issues from anxiety, depression, acting out to avoid these thoughts, pathological laziness (a huge problem for kids right now), past trauma, etc.
I have seen ADHD medication turn a complete shit bag into a star in a matter of days. And it's not just taking it or not, it's tweaking the dosage just right.
Neurochemicals are a bitch. They become imbalanced due to behaviors. Behaviors become disordered due to the imbalance. Thoughts and emotions get out of whack due to both. Both get out of whack due to thoughts and emotions. There is no clear line of causality because it is cyclical.
BUT the chain can be cut somewhere. And are you going to talk reason and logic with a loopy kid who is flipping out? No, kids can't do that anyways for the most part. You aren't going to give them Cognitive Behavioral Therapy homework and have them fix themselves. You can't get them to stop acting like douchebags of their own accord because their emotions and thoughts and imbalances fuel it.
So you medicate them. That's the only spot that anyone else can control and help until the kid is old enough to want to stop.
There aren't polar opposites. It's not a black and white issue. There is grey area and the authoritarian thinking of "yes or no" makes it hard for the public to even begin understanding the issue.
And yeah, I'd say its very cultural, from our technology and the detachment involved there, to the things we put in our food, to the exposures we experience from electronics, to the "gimme now" culture of fast food and internet and cellphones.
We need to do some longitudinal studies on some of this shit instead of just accepting it because someone makes money and it makes the common man's life easier.
I've got credentials and I'm racking up the years working at a residential treatment center for teens and it's not the case that:
"teacher's don't want to manage classrooms," or
"there's no psychiatric or psychological disorder going on," or
"they are just kids, that's how kids act," or
"psychiatrists just want to make bank."
There IS a problem going on, and it's being called ADD and ADHD, but it's really a constellation of issues from anxiety, depression, acting out to avoid these thoughts, pathological laziness (a huge problem for kids right now), past trauma, etc.
I have seen ADHD medication turn a complete shit bag into a star in a matter of days. And it's not just taking it or not, it's tweaking the dosage just right.
Neurochemicals are a bitch. They become imbalanced due to behaviors. Behaviors become disordered due to the imbalance. Thoughts and emotions get out of whack due to both. Both get out of whack due to thoughts and emotions. There is no clear line of causality because it is cyclical.
BUT the chain can be cut somewhere. And are you going to talk reason and logic with a loopy kid who is flipping out? No, kids can't do that anyways for the most part. You aren't going to give them Cognitive Behavioral Therapy homework and have them fix themselves. You can't get them to stop acting like douchebags of their own accord because their emotions and thoughts and imbalances fuel it.
So you medicate them. That's the only spot that anyone else can control and help until the kid is old enough to want to stop.
There aren't polar opposites. It's not a black and white issue. There is grey area and the authoritarian thinking of "yes or no" makes it hard for the public to even begin understanding the issue.
And yeah, I'd say its very cultural, from our technology and the detachment involved there, to the things we put in our food, to the exposures we experience from electronics, to the "gimme now" culture of fast food and internet and cellphones.
We need to do some longitudinal studies on some of this shit instead of just accepting it because someone makes money and it makes the common man's life easier.
love you opinionated idiots who think ADHD isn't real but have never met a child with it. Yes, adderall is way over prescribed and there is a subjectivity to diagnosis as with many cognitive disorders that we don't have the technology to measure yet. But spend 2 minutes with my friend's 6 year old home schooled son and tell me ADHD isn't real.
Kids are like puppies if you don't socialize them properly and discipline them correctly they'll be little menaces that no one wants to be around.
I'm not saying some kids don't have some sort of mental disorder that causes them to not listen to their parents, teachers, or whatever. However, the rate at which doctors are diagnosing ADD and ADHD is insane. The kids behavior is more likely bad parenting than a mental disorder.
Parents now seems to think it's the schools responsibility to teach the kids manners and respect so by the time they get to school they have no clue how to act. The teachers reaction is give them dope, because they obviously have a mental disorder.
I'm not saying some kids don't have some sort of mental disorder that causes them to not listen to their parents, teachers, or whatever. However, the rate at which doctors are diagnosing ADD and ADHD is insane. The kids behavior is more likely bad parenting than a mental disorder.
Parents now seems to think it's the schools responsibility to teach the kids manners and respect so by the time they get to school they have no clue how to act. The teachers reaction is give them dope, because they obviously have a mental disorder.
