How about we make a rule that nobody with the HIV or any STD gets to go there. AIDS-FREE and STD-FREE Zone - have all the unprotected sex you want.
New Country for Old Libertarians: Seasteading Institute
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For all the smart moves the guy with this idea has made in his life - this is not one of them.
The idea of libertarians living any closer to each other than 5 acres each in a true libertarian environment is laughable. Libertarians need a lot of space to make certain they can do whatever they want and still not bother the libertarian next door enough so that the libertarian next door doesn't decide it's time to make some rules.
The idea of libertarians living any closer to each other than 5 acres each in a true libertarian environment is laughable. Libertarians need a lot of space to make certain they can do whatever they want and still not bother the libertarian next door enough so that the libertarian next door doesn't decide it's time to make some rules.
How would that not be libertarian?
Libertarian would mean having the freedom to exclude, yes?
Might be a little dickish ... but still libertarian.
But the business opportunities of not living under a restrictive government could make you astronomical income!
Nahh, they absolutely have to live at least 6 miles away to have their own internatonal waters, so it's a matter of just getting food shipments by cargo frieghters. (Which creates trade and more industry, a good thing.)
I doubt it would be worth anyones' time there to grow food or fish... Trade is key.
Nope, the population will be people who can MAKE MONIEZ while there... Such as those doing international trading or server hosting. (And a few billionaires who truly believe in the cause, of course.)
They'll have a company for that called the justice co. or something... Like commercial courts, I'd think.
And why just 1 doctor? And why not pull up your platform to another one? Their plan is to make thousands and dock them together as they see most advantageous.
Well yeah, when you let man-eating monsters roam free on them... But businessmen trying to make a buck?
Lots of ppl want to live to Hawaii, and no one there is free of the oppressive laws and regulations these things would enjoy.
International trade would be a strongsuit of libertarian businessmen, not a problem.
Deep at sea? For a huge rig? Tidal waves can't happen out there, so the only natural disaster that could affect them is a hurricane... Which doesn't ever sink any oil rigs these days.
One of your best points; I could see it happening but not in their beginning stages. Perhaps when there are 20 or more of these and they've made their alliances and enemies among themselves, but that could be 50 years hence.
Still, war could break out here so it's isn't an issue for this consideration.
As soon as a pirate gets in this thing's 3-mile radius the defense co could open fire with advanced weaponry... No need to be all diplomatic about it and set up bases all over the planet like america does... no, such a land can keep our firepower for defense & have automatic weapons pointing out of every window. The pirates would never even have a chance.
Of course all prices would go up, but as said earlier, the majority of the ppl on these things would be making bank from an advantageous trade with foreign nations. The first guys do need to be millionaires though and take a big risk to get these things 'floating.'
Isolation could get old, no doubt, but the internet will certainly help. Anyway I'd imagine most ppl there would be too busy working to be that concerned, and most would be rich enough to spend lots of time on the mainland, usually only 6 short miles away. (The channel islands are all about 22 miles away from the California coast, and many of them have full-fledged cities on them.)
I consider this the interesting part. No one can guess how this will turn out but obviously the first guinea pigs will be the biggest believers so there is little chance of abandonment or infighting...
Other colonies have started up before a lot further away than 6 miles. Even in places with no natural resources. (Like Antartica.)
To me , a aircraft carrier would make much more sense than a 'floating city' as it's already done, has plenty of room to land a airplane and many last for 50+ years.
Could you remind us of why though? Who says they can't have torpedoes installed, rocket launchers from every tower and mini-guns bolted to every residences' deck?
Anyway, what are they hoarding there that makes them so worth the trouble? Think those millionaires are receiving Gold Bullion through the internet?
I have to admit I doubt security will be as much trouble as many think. They likely will locate it within the overall security reach and protection of US forces - even if in international waters. A full on assault is not likely in this case - especially if near shipping lanes and just outside the line.
Would be an interesting experiment though I doubt libertarians can really live together - someone mentioned the Justice Co. etc - but to whom is that company accountable. What is one party to a suit wants Justice Co #1 and the other Justice Co #2 - or is one going to have a monopoly? And then who is going to ensure that judgements are not biased? Who is going to enforce claims against the de-salinization plant if the water is not good (etc) ? There are checks and balances that arise within nations for a reason.
Maybe I simply do not understand libertarians and am confusing them too much with anarchists.
Would be an interesting experiment though I doubt libertarians can really live together - someone mentioned the Justice Co. etc - but to whom is that company accountable. What is one party to a suit wants Justice Co #1 and the other Justice Co #2 - or is one going to have a monopoly? And then who is going to ensure that judgements are not biased? Who is going to enforce claims against the de-salinization plant if the water is not good (etc) ? There are checks and balances that arise within nations for a reason.
Maybe I simply do not understand libertarians and am confusing them too much with anarchists.
Cheap ass libertarians - I am certain they could have simply bought the Island from the Tonga King.
If this true, I feel sorry for the gazillions of humans that don't have anything to eat in a daily basis. When someone is shitting on toilets made of gold, something is absolutely wrong.
I knew someone would have had to bring up Minerva... But c'mon... They grabbed a 1 foot tall atoll that was in dispute halfway across the world... So many problems there that don't apply here come to mind it's silly.
There aren't even any lessons from Minerva to be learned other than:
1. Build your own land, &
2. Build it higher than 1 foot above the waterline.
If what's true? Who said anything about golden toilets?
Did you think this was about the illuminati or something? Learn to read.
I only see a bargain.
Taking over an existing country like the USA to bring a civilized form of government to would cost TRILLIONS of dollars and lost lives out the wazoo.
A few millionaires pool their money together to make their own without taxing you one penny?
Trillions saved.
How many of you spent more than 15 minutes researching this before posting an opinion?
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@Joevis, you clearly don't understand the project.
Is it a coincidence that many of the forum socialists are posting on political threads on a Friday afternoon?
The platforms won't be run as countries. They will be private property, similar to the special economic zones of Dubai, Freeport etc.
What do you know about libertarianism?
And the peasantry on Wickedfire STS will be sure to judge you for it.
The people involved with TSI are for the most part anarchists. Anarcho-capitalists of the David Friedman variety specifically.
Is it a coincidence that many of the forum socialists are posting on political threads on a Friday afternoon?
Would it be too impossible/absurd to setup a virtual government model online for testing? People love arguing and voting for shit online, couldn't we mimic this in someway to reflect a real world government? Seems like too many political decisions are made based on the "lets try this shit out, here's why it might work!" attitude.
^Am I way too fucking high right now?
Politics aside, I love the idea of living on an island type community, but I'd rather go for something like this:
^Am I way too fucking high right now?
Politics aside, I love the idea of living on an island type community, but I'd rather go for something like this: