Direct mail still alive and kickin?

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I was just browsing through some of halbert's boron letters and also the thomas hall letters that gary was such a fan of and it got me thinking..

Is direct mail still going strong?

I'm talking about the stuff that Gary killed it with like his signature "real" letter with a dollar bill attached at the top. Real simple stuff, not the colored glossy brochure crap.
 


I agree. Direct mail is huge and with cpa combined can be a killer business. Think small biz opp offer paying lik3 $3.00 per sign up and you spend like couple hundred bucks getting flyers and list of biz opp seekers.
 
I agree. Direct mail is huge and with cpa combined can be a killer business. Think small biz opp offer paying lik3 $3.00 per sign up and you spend like couple hundred bucks getting flyers and list of biz opp seekers.


mmmm or think about the thousands of dollars in sales on the back end.
 
Definitely still going. Funny enough, you can get a letter in someone's hand for $0.60 and lower if you do volume. That's less than the cost of clicks in many places online but without all the distractions of the internet.

By the way, where did you find the Thomas Hall letters? I've been looking for those but without success.
 
Definitely still going. Funny enough, you can get a letter in someone's hand for $0.60 and lower if you do volume. That's less than the cost of clicks in many places online but without all the distractions of the internet.

By the way, where did you find the Thomas Hall letters? I've been looking for those but without success.

I can hook you up with the thomas hall letters just hit me up on aim.

I know its still profitable I just always wondered whether or not a plain and simple letter like gary's signature style would still pull or if people would be more hesitant nowadays to something so simple.
 
Definitely still going. Funny enough, you can get a letter in someone's hand for $0.60 and lower if you do volume. That's less than the cost of clicks in many places online but without all the distractions of the internet.

This is true, but you also have to worry about open rates, so it's not really that black and white...
 
I know its still profitable I just always wondered whether or not a plain and simple letter like gary's signature style would still pull or if people would be more hesitant nowadays to something so simple.

Based on the research I have done and the copywriting books I have read, it would make sense that something that simple would still work quite well.

It would definitely stand out compared to all the glossy junk mail that gets sent out...

Half the battle is getting people to open your letter and read the first little bit...
 
sorry..... but what you mean by "Pile Mail" ??

The A-Pile
Vs.
The B Pile​
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]Are you ready to get started? Good. You are now about to learn the most important thing you will ever learn on the subject of direct mail. I have a similar lesson to teach you about newspaper and magazine advertising, but that will come later in another letter. Right now, we will talk only about direct mail. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]Whatever. Professor Halbert is now going to give you his semi-famous "A-Pile/B-Pile Lecture." It goes like this: Everybody in the world divides his mail into two piles which I call the A-Pile and the B-Pile. The A-Pile contains letters that are, (or appear to be), personal. The B-Pile contains everything else: Bills, catalogs, brochures, printed announcements, envelopes that obviously contain a sales message, and so on. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]Now listen up: The most important thing you can ever do when creating a direct mail promotion is to make sure your letter gets in the A-Pile! [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]Here's why. Everybody always opens all of their A-Pile mail and only some of their B-Pile mail. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]It's as simple as that. And when you are spending thousands (and sometimes millions) of dollars to mail a sales message, you want to make damn sure everybody who receives your letter will at least open the envelope. You know, this simple truth seems to me to be so self-evident that I am always amazed when someone wants to argue with me about it. And, usually, as you might expect, the most vigorous arguments come from the most "experienced" advertising people. These people just love to tell me how they always found that B-Pile direct mail is more cost effective. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]They are always wrong. You see, they may have sent a personal looking envelope but usually, as I'll explain later, they forget to eliminate the "Oh, yuck!" reaction. But first, let's talk about the differences in the appearance of an A-Pile envelope as opposed to an envelope that is destined to wind up in the B-Pile. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]It's really quite simple. You see, A-Pile envelopes always look personal. Not necessarily personal like they came from your Aunt Minnie but, at least, personal like they were a communication from one real person to another real person. The best (most cost-effective) A-Pile envelopes always have a live postage stamp affixed. They never have teaser copy. They never immediately reveal by the corner card the material inside contains a commercial message. They are never addressed by label and they are seldom oversized or odd shaped. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, Courier New (monospace)]Want an example? If so, just look at the envelope this letter came in. It's a plain white #10 with a typewritten address, a first-class postage stamp and a corner card that reveals only the name and address of the sender.[/FONT]
The Gary Halbert Letter
 
IMO, direct mail is horrible. On my expierence (debt relief, debt consolidation, settlement, etc); I shot out postcards God knows how many times. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on post cards, etc. and "I did make my money back", but profit was not there....

I'd recommend not doing it. Of course, different niches can be different I'm sure. I'm not just some dood who threw $ at it or anything. I tried different demographics (several lists); and well the response rate was waaaay under 1% (also tried many post card types).

Just my opinion on my results with direct mail
 
Direct Mail --> Email Marketing --> Mobile Marketing

Technology will advance over time but I have a hard time seeing any of the three above fade out completely.
 
I shot out postcards God knows how many times. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on post cards, etc. and "I did make my money back", but profit was not there....

That's most likely the reason for your poor results. There isn't enough room on a postcard to do a complete selling job. My packages consist of 8 pages thick with copy, lift note, and order form.
 
That's most likely the reason for your poor results. There isn't enough room on a postcard to do a complete selling job. My packages consist of 8 pages thick with copy, lift note, and order form.

I believe the selling happens with a #1-800 on the card. The postcard is just a teaser to get them curious enough to pick up the phone.