Anyone seen new Apple thunderbolt?



that actually is pretty awesome, maybe its time to bite on a new MBP.

holy shit, it really is time for a new mbp the new ones have 1gb video ram. Mines got 256..
 
Nice. I'm trying to decide between a new MBP and new MB Air and this may have tipped the scales in the Pro's favor. I hear the Air can more than handle everything I do that requires horsepower, photoshop, dreamweaver, some video editing, and fast as hell too because of the flash drive, and I love how light it is... but not too sure which way to go now.
 
Although cool, and impressive (you won't hear that out of me often when it comes to Apple), but really when are going to use it? I just don't see it having really any value for the average user, and only a handful of people would probably make use of it.

It's cool that you can daisy chain up to 6 devices in to one port, but the speed is faster than you could use practically (SSD's can't even read or write that fast), except maybe for some sort of video out channel.
 
Rage9 said:
Although cool, and impressive (you won't hear that out of me often when it comes to Apple), but really when are going to use it?
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This ^

It's sort of like Zip drives or Firewire. How long did they last? Yeah, it got some buzz, but more scalable and universal technologies will always win out.

Apple should have attached some USB 3.0 ports as well. But, they probably wanted to push this Thunderbolt technology and decided to hold out.

USB 3.0 can get between 3-5gbps throughput currently, with more in the future as manufacturers and developers start to use and develop it. Not to mention, everyone uses USB 2.0 for just about everything and it's backwards compatible with USB 2.0.

USB 3.0 will kill off Thunderbolt. I honestly haven't heard of it until Apple mentioned it. I doubt many had either, so it sounds really proprietary and platform specific.
 
Rexibit said:
This ^

It's sort of like Zip drives or Firewire. How long did they last? Yeah, it got some buzz, but more scalable and universal technologies will always win out.

Apple should have attached some USB 3.0 ports as well. But, they probably wanted to push this Thunderbolt technology and decided to hold out.

USB 3.0 can get between 3-5gbps throughput currently, with more in the future as manufacturers and developers start to use and develop it. Not to mention, everyone uses USB 2.0 for just about everything and it's backwards compatible with USB 2.0.

USB 3.0 will kill off Thunderbolt. I honestly haven't heard of it until Apple mentioned it. I doubt many had either, so it sounds really proprietary and platform specific.
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haven't heard of it since reading this topic, usb 3.0 gonna win for sure, its just to good of a platform and very universal.
why would another pc manufactorer like dell or HP use this thunderbolt technology when it's an apple format? they would pretty much give their pc's a mac sticker:)
 
Ah, on further digging, Intel has Thunderbolt patented. I had heard of Light Peak, which was their development name for it.

It seems Apple signed a 1-year exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt which is why it was all hush hush until now.
 
Rexibit said:
Ah, on further digging, Intel has Thunderbolt patented. I had heard of Light Peak, which was their development name for it.

It seems Apple signed a 1-year exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt which is why it was all hush hush until now.
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interesting, nice find.
 
Rexibit said:
This ^

It's sort of like Zip drives or Firewire. How long did they last? Yeah, it got some buzz, but more scalable and universal technologies will always win out.

Apple should have attached some USB 3.0 ports as well. But, they probably wanted to push this Thunderbolt technology and decided to hold out.

USB 3.0 can get between 3-5gbps throughput currently, with more in the future as manufacturers and developers start to use and develop it. Not to mention, everyone uses USB 2.0 for just about everything and it's backwards compatible with USB 2.0.

USB 3.0 will kill off Thunderbolt. I honestly haven't heard of it until Apple mentioned it. I doubt many had either, so it sounds really proprietary and platform specific.
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Intel invented it and Apple signed a 1 year exclusive deal with it, but it will be on open market after that.

I can see it being used as replacements for everything in the future. The Thunderbolt has 10GB throughput. USB 3.0 only has 5GB. Double the speed. Not to mention USB is monitored and run through software, (like the OS) and Firewire and Thunderbolt are run through it's hardware.

Currently, USB 2.0 has it's speed up to 480Mbps, but how often do you see that in a device? I'm guessing hardly ever (if ever at all). It is not uncommon however to see firewire crank through more speeds.

The thunderbolt could easily be the system that could replace everything including DVI. Imagine a computer that only has 10 Thunderbolt ports in it.

Also, right now, a monitor requires around 9GBps. Even USB 3.0 cannot do that.

I am rooting for Thunderbolt.
 
Rexibit said:
Ah, on further digging, Intel has Thunderbolt patented. I had heard of Light Peak, which was their development name for it.

It seems Apple signed a 1-year exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt which is why it was all hush hush until now.
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Yeah I also noticed this, on the apple page he linked to at the very bottom is says intel owns it. Its certainly not going to just vanish as a apple only thing.

Also the new mbp has some really nice specs other than this thunderbolt stuff.
 
Rancor13 said:
I had the first version of the air, the only issue I had was battery life...
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Nice, and that's a full 7 hours now, so that's not an issue anymore. But the specs of MBP are pretty sweet now with the quad core, at twice the weight of the Air though. I've played around with an Air and everything runs so damn quick with that flash drive. I'm gonna need to mess around with both side to side to decide, too bad there's no damn Apple store here.
 
Roman Holiday said:
Nice, and that's a full 7 hours now, so that's not an issue anymore. But the specs of MBP are pretty sweet now with the quad core, at twice the weight of the Air though. I've played around with an Air and everything runs so damn quick with that flash drive. I'm gonna need to mess around with both side to side to decide, too bad there's no damn Apple store here.
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Get the MBP pay the $500 and get a SSD, wham a laptop thats way faster than the air, and will last you a lot longer.
 
ryanstreet said:
I can see it being used as replacements for everything in the future. The Thunderbolt has 10GB throughput. USB 3.0 only has 5GB. Double the speed. Not to mention USB is monitored and run through software, (like the OS) and Firewire and Thunderbolt are run through it's hardware.
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Theoretical throughput, not actual. Aside from Nikon and Apple, not many devices have a Thunderbolt port right now - and those that do most likely won't be supporting that limit.

ryanstreet said:
Currently, USB 2.0 has it's speed up to 480Mbps, but how often do you see that in a device? I'm guessing hardly ever (if ever at all). It is not uncommon however to see firewire crank through more speeds.
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Firewire took a good while after release to get up to its limit. By then, USB 3.0 will be more widely adopted and the manufacturers will be following the money to spend more time increasing USB 3.0's limit due to the wider adoption rate.

They go where the market is. It's been proven time and again.

ryanstreet said:
The thunderbolt could easily be the system that could replace everything including DVI. Imagine a computer that only has 10 Thunderbolt ports in it.

Also, right now, a monitor requires around 9GBps. Even USB 3.0 cannot do that.
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I can see monitors and high-end digital photography using it, but not for most portable hard drives, flash drives, peripherals, etc.

Those devices have to be able to connect to any computer and be operating system independent. Not only for functional purposes, but for business purposes as well.

Just as you want to be able to plug and go to share files with a friend, the manufacturer and retail stores don't want to have to stop production to make many different versions of the same product - it's costly to stop machines and change over, and even more costly to keep that amount of inventory.

Even with all that aside, the hardware right now just can't support that amount of throughput. Yeah 10gbps throughput sounds great on paper, and that's what Apple is after - more sales, but it's not not feasible. Even for the next couple years the hardware doesn't need it.

Right now, SATA 2 Hard drives (which just started shipping last year) runs a max of 3gbps. SATA 3 just started being worked on in late 2009 and won't be out for a couple years and runs at a max of 6gpbs throughput.

Since those are what are in most portable hard drives, there's no point in tying them to Thunderbolt when USB 3.0 will work just fine for the next 5 years.
 
To anyone saying "when will you use it?" - here's the thing:

- It can do PCIe over this bus (meaning external, hot swappable graphics cards are now possible)

- Other standards can plug to it, as in it can send USB over this bus

- It can be daisy chained

- Hard drives, monitors, and all other types can be sent over one single cable.

Within 5 years it will reach 100Gbps
 
papajohn56 said:
To anyone saying "when will you use it?" - here's the thing:

- It can do PCIe over this bus (meaning external, hot swappable graphics cards are now possible)

- Other standards can plug to it, as in it can send USB over this bus

- It can be daisy chained

- Hard drives, monitors, and all other types can be sent over one single cable.

Within 5 years it will reach 100Gbps
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Yeah it's pretty ridiculous, the 10Gbps is with the copper wire...just imagine when it goes to fiber optics...
 
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