Where does WF stand on WikiLeaks?
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I know there have been many discussions on Wikileaks, and all were to see a heated discussion on both sides. I thought to open a polling station and see what we think the situation WF.
What I mean is that I am on the side of the soldier who was sent off to war to die for an unjust cause and I am on the side of the little Iraqi baby that was blown up for nothing more than oil and/or propaganda.
I am definitely not on the side of greed and corruption by any person or persons who are supposed to be working on behalf of their people and instead do the bidding of the almighty dollar/euro/pound instead, no matter what country/continent/religion. Clear enough for ya?
I am definitely not on the side of greed and corruption by any person or persons who are supposed to be working on behalf of their people and instead do the bidding of the almighty dollar/euro/pound instead, no matter what country/continent/religion. Clear enough for ya?
But you're not on the side of the citizen who depends on the functioning of the government, including the privacy and the strategic secrecy that is involved in diplomatic and strategic communication, right?
I am on the side of all of the citizens, even you, as I believe that the dishonesty and lies of government hurt everyone in the long term. The more the people of government are afraid of exposure of their corruption the more they will be kept in check.
Let's make it easier for the righteous to speak out when they see grave injustice being done (be it secretaries, military service people, workers, directors or anyone) and hold those people who perpetrate the injustice accountable and not the other way around.
The question pertains specifically to diplomatic secrecy.
If we know where Osama Bin Laden is located, but we're keeping it a secret so as not to alert him while we prepare for a strike, would you advocate revealing this information to the media and the public, thereby alerting him and losing our ability to capture him?
If a secret is that big then you shouldn't be discussing it over cables that are accessible to over 3 million people (which means the enemy already has the info without a shadow of a doubt). That alone is a bigger crime than the leaking of it if the information is that damaging/dangerous.
This is not about enemies having this information, they already have it. This is about the people having the information.
So going on that highly likely assumption do you not believe that you should have information that both your government AND it's enemies have?
NO ONE is talking about releasing such information, AR, NOT EVEN ASSANGE. -Since he waits until after any such events happened, and carefully removed all names before releasing anything like that. Even the pentagon says he did so. Go argue with some 5-star US generals about that point, K?
What this situation is more like is: After the secret strike took place, and failed, news of the failed strike can come to light, instead of being hidden forever.
I find this stance on government completely backwards. And Disturbing. It really explains a lot of the mental backwardness of people like yourself and Hellblazer.Ar Scion said:
The citizen should NEVER EVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE be "on the side of" government. -It's the government that should be on the side of the citizen, otherwise the government has NO PURPOSE and should be completely done away with.
This is precisely what the wikileaks situation is bringing to light... The Crux of this whole situation: Are governments really serving their people, or are people being made to serve an elite few in their government. -Releasing docs that expose the latter is the #1 purpose of a free press, and is the #1 reason we have a 1st amendment.
And the #1 reason you are free right now,
And the #1 reason that you won't be if everything like Wikileaks is shut up.
I'm saying there is no difference between what has been released and the kind of information I'm positing.
Both can be equally justified under the "public's right to know everything that goes on in the government" defense.
You don't know Assange's motives. You don't know for sure whether he will release such information or not if he had it. You're just choosing to trust him. Blind faith that this man is genuinely seeking to preserve and protect the interests of Americans. Blind faith that he will censor things, release documents after they happened, ensure no deaths, danger or inconvenience etc.
Nothing is verifiable, nothing is enforceable, nothing is subject to checks and balances. It's all blind faith.
How naive is it to trust someone under those conditions?
Be honest. At least admit that you don't know what his real motives are, and you have no way of knowing if he's doing the right thing or not.
You have no way of knowing if he's selling certain classified documents to terrorists or parties opposed to the US.
Can you admit that?
The possibility someone committed a crime is not enough to punish someone.
I don't understand why people put so much emphasis on Wikileaks and Assange and so little on what was actually released. Where is the anger and uproar about our government lying us into a war that is impossible to win. It is hardly even possible to define what a victory would look like. It is military adventurism and is costing the people in this country more money and costing some their lives.
How did you know?
Also Everyone needs money. In order for wikileaks to run without delays and without the worries of the "hackers" from US breaking and ruining their site they need tons of cash. If there was a deal with Isreal with the said leaks then the only reason for that is because they need some sort protection financially where they don't have to Expect and use the money from donations and ranndom guys who donates $5 per visit etc.
Wikileaks is a good site and I like them for their diversity and transparency. But why only release US documents? why not russia, china, France, and all the big army guys out there? Let the public know what these guys are doing in their embassies all over the world. Why release documents from US only?
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