Do you make more through paid or organic traffic?

Paid or organic


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It all depends on the offer.
Like male enhancement offers with my network -- we've been throwing them up on some crazy adspace places and the volume we've been doing on it is like, "Woah." O_o ... Craziness.

Some SEO does okay, but PPC seems to work better. You gotta have money to make money, as they say.
 


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Mind you, I am only responding to this gay as question because of the T&A. I respect you at least for paying attention that much. It's a real hideous bitch that "the consequences will never be the same" is too long to fit in the user title, but c'est la vie.

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Having done tons of PPC and organic, my own results heavily weight PPC in the cases of "trending demand" products and services that pay an immediate and decent-sized commission per sale.

I wouldn't spend money on AdWords for a $.50 zip submit, not because there's anything wrong with it but because scaling up a campaign along those kinds of offers takes a lot more focus and effort than I'm willing to input.

I wouldn't spend money on an offer that paid me a small recurring commission, or on any kind of offer that was in a business that generally had a high rate of consumer chargebacks and/or advertiser scrubbing. It is possible/probable that people with more experience and bigger bankrolls than I have are able to work around the consumer/scrubbing limiting factors, but for me it's just too many externalities that can effect ROI.

I would spend money on an offer in some kind of field that was getting a lot of press lately, where authority and/or news sites were hogging up all the SERPs but the search volumes were big and rising. I would want to see individual per-event commissions in the two-digit range and a stable provider on the other end of the ad. I see opportunities like that the same way I see a formulaic stock trade -- I'm not in it to make massive % returns, I'm in it to make quick returns, and if I want to scale it I do it short term by just buying more clicks, not by fucking around and expanding into other horizontal offers.

For me this works because my content-driven, search engine-loved sites get plenty of traffic on their own, and I don't need to worry too much with paid promotion in certain niches because of the footprints that I have in them. But if I'm out of my established areas, and I'm promoting something that is riding a news trend, then I need to get in and out as quickly as possible, and the only way to really do that is to skip the foreplay and buy my way to the front page.

The flip side to that, the organic traffic sites, are my little-engines-that-could sites that just churn out numbers day in and day out. Sometimes one or two of them have a huge day, and that's fun but I don't really give a fuck about day-to-day numbers. As long as traffic and rev tick up over the long term I'm happy and keep on investing and building on the successes (the Japanese business concept of kaizen is something with which every marketer should be familiar, but most do not seem to be.)

You can do much longer-term testing without nearly as much risk with organic traffic sources, and over time this can add up to very decent money, but it takes time, work and foresight to build a network of serious content/ug sites that will produce income for you. You can make massive short-term bank with the right PPC campaign but it's like babysitting Bebe's Kids if you keep it running, and you're taking an upfront financial risk that can get pretty hairy. I would be very suprised if over the long run, people who are definitively successful with either method as their primary means of promotion average greater income than those who are definitively successful with the other.


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It's kinda sad that the poll results are near equal, says a lot.

That's cause of many many restrictions last 1.5 years or so with promoting CPA (not CPS) on main traffic channels like adwords, facebook, etc. not that shitty 5-tier networks with half-ass traffic which needs in the end to spend like low $xxxxx with each one (of few hundreds of them).

Plus after some time I did realise that all low paying CPA offers simply not worth to push with paid traffic, costs are high+roi quite low+instability+epc's are laughable+shaving. Unless you OWN sites with needed traffic (which IS SEO LMAO!) it's a nightmare! Sorry for being honest:) You can make profit here and there, but if you want floods of targeted paid traffic it becomes not that cheap if you use 2nd tier and below networks cause of mainly bidding systems

It WAS easy some time ago for someone let's say on moderate level (without cloaking and all that tricks), now - not so quite. And people don't like risk+if can they can't afford it.
 
That's cause of many many restrictions last 1.5 years or so with promoting CPA (not CPS) on main traffic channels like adwords, facebook, etc. not that shitty 5-tier networks with half-ass traffic which needs in the end to spend like low $xxxxx with each one (of few hundreds of them).

Plus after some time I did realise that all low paying CPA offers simply not worth to push with paid traffic, costs are high+roi quite low+instability+epc's are laughable+shaving. Unless you OWN sites with needed traffic (which IS SEO LMAO!) it's a nightmare! Sorry for being honest:) You can make profit here and there, but if you want floods of targeted paid traffic it becomes not that cheap if you use 2nd tier and below networks cause of mainly bidding systems

It WAS easy some time ago for someone let's say on moderate level (without cloaking and all that tricks), now - not so quite. And people don't like risk+if can they can't afford it.

... what? :stonedsmilie:

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Anyway, I like SEO for residual income, and PPC for immediate gratification and keyword research. Someone said it takes money to make money - if you don't have at least $1000 to blow, you better be careful with PPC.
 
$1000 to spend on what bro ? on zip submits on adwords (and be fucked in no time) ?:) or other offers ? I am talking mainly about everything with less than $3 payout. Care to share your ROI here AND traffic source without anything else ?:)
 
Neither.

Targeted mailing lists beat them both.

OK, okay, you use SEO, PPC, whatever to build up the targeted list. Or you rent a good one.

Having a good list is like an ATM.

Knowing people with good lists is like having a rich uncle who drinks too much and passes out on the sofa with his wallet on the mantle.
 
Organic can get you more period. As much as ppc can work you have to get it ranking higher than someone else, meaning that you have to spend more on ads, which in most cases would be adwords.

Ranking higher is just a matter of time and money spent on the links built

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