Why Is WickedFire SOOO Against Ebooks?

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Whats the difference between selling and Ebook (obv scam) and a ringtone, acai diet etc?

I just don't see how Ebooks are "evil' on WickedFire but its ok to sell someone a bottle of acai, which we all know doesn't work and tricks the majority into being re-billed.
 


g33ks said:
Whats the difference between selling and Ebook (obv scam) and a ringtone, acai diet etc?

I just don't see how Ebooks are "evil' on WickedFire but its ok to sell someone a bottle of acai, which we all know doesn't work and tricks the majority into being re-billed.
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I don't think eBooks are an "obvious" scam. I've purchased eBooks (not related to AM) that were good. It's just a different format. I guess you could consider Amazon the #1 eBook seller now that they have Kindle. I have downloaded a free AM eBook (Jeremy Palmer's) and it wasn't bad.

I think the big thing here is that if eBook sales were allowed here, it would turn WF into "The AM eBook seller's marketplace," leaving room for little else. Also, when it comes to AM, eBooks might have good information, but others have pointed out that most, if not all of it, is available here or elsewhere on the internet for free.

You don't know acai "doesn't work." Not everyone here sells acai or the keywords would cost more than "mesothelioma" because so many people would be involved. There are plenty of people who make tons not selling acai, ringtones, etc.
 
Also, and this is important, guys selling ringtones and green tea aren't coming to this forum to sell to us. Unlike guys who try to sell their unbelievably shitty ebooks.
 
Besides, AM eBooks tell you that "You're a business owner!" by the time you hit page 5, and with Acai you can clearly see that by the 5th dose they're not any skinnier.

One works on scientific basics and one works on selling something and making the buyer believe they can do anything in the world overnight. Acai at least works over time if the user is willing. AM... maybe, but they're not a business owner by page 5.

PS - in my amazing ebook I'm writing, I make sure you're not a business owner until page 10. Because by page 10 you've filled out a few leadgen forms for me. :)
 
g33ks said:
Whats the difference between selling and Ebook (obv scam) and a ringtone, acai diet etc?

I just don't see how Ebooks are "evil' on WickedFire but its ok to sell someone a bottle of acai, which we all know doesn't work and tricks the majority into being re-billed.
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All that shit we sell to suckers, and we don't want to be called suckers!
 
A few n00bs have showed up here complaining of their failure at affiliate marketing, so instead they wrote - an EBOOK! - and trying to profit from that instead. It's like an author who can't get a book published teaching a writing course (and I'm sure there are plenty).
 
Reminds me of business conferences lol.. The guy would talk about the stock market all day and sell his books. Yet he was a total blow out and his company later filed bankruptcy. :error:
 
One of the biggest issues is also that people write them to BE eBooks.
They're not writing "a book", they're writing so they've got a bit of nothing that they can sell. The biggest trap is that people don't stop and ask themselves "If this eBook is so great, how come he can't get a publishing deal?"
Considering about 1/4 of Borders is self help crap nowadays, it's not hard to get them published either.
Hell, at least offer that shit up on LuLu or some other PODservice so that people that want it as a real book can get it with a cover I say.

As for the eBook format, I actually really like it. I've got a massive sci-fi library on my phone thanks to the eBook format (.LIT in this case) that would probably fill a dozen book cases if I had them in paperback.
 
Ah ... "get rich ebooks" are pretty gay cuz it's the same rehashed material with hyped sales letter.

*shrugs*
 
the problem with ebooks are;

1. they are mostly too expensive
2. most don't live up to the hype
3. newbies are preyed upon thinking they can make millions selling them

If I get another email from a guru asking me to buy a shit ebook I'll fucking scream. Yes they have their place in the IM world and yes there are some good books. But so many gurus scam newbies by telling them there is easy money in them when they are fucking hard to sell.
 
ebooks arent evil, its just the idiots that think its the magic bullet that are evil.
 
Whats the point of giving away your marketing methods if they make good money? If it actually works it will just saturate it and ruin your source of income. Thats why almost all ebooks are shit. Or will turn to shit pretty fast
 
I lost 27 lbs in just 3 days while taking acai and I love my complimentary ringtones.

Ok seriously though to answer your question, imagine going to a forum full of experts on horse betting...the majority of them already know the basics very well and the forum has MANY posts offering expert advice along with a "Horse Betting Forum Treasure Trove" sticky that contains dozens of links to posts made by members that cover everything about horse betting from a to z.

Now, you go on the forum and try to sell them a "how to get started in horse racing ebook", what kind of reaction do you think you'll get?
 
harry1970 said:
the problem with ebooks are;

1. they are mostly too expensive
2. most don't live up to the hype
3. newbies are preyed upon thinking they can make millions selling them

If I get another email from a guru asking me to buy a shit ebook I'll fucking scream. Yes they have their place in the IM world and yes there are some good books. But so many gurus scam newbies by telling them there is easy money in them when they are fucking hard to sell.
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I wonder the same question g33ks.

Take this post from above... and lets translate to what 85% of this forum promotes.

the problem with acai berry is

1. acai berry pills are mostly too expensive.

2. acai berry doesn't live up to the hype.

3. fat people are preyed upon thinking they can lost tons of weight eating them

If I get another email from a marketer asking me to buy a shit acai berry I'll fucking scream. Yes they have their place in the weightloss world and yes there are some good formula. But so many marketers scam fat asses by telling them there is easy weightloss in them when they are fucking snake oil.

Same fucking thing. IMO CPA affiliate marketing is way more scammy and greedy than marketing ebooks.

Also, I'd like to state... I don't pay for ebooks nor do I signup for Acai berry trials but there are many shit ebooks that I've read thru that were 98% pages of fluff but had one good idea in there that made me $. I'm open to logical responses.
 
There's definitely a lack of self-reflection in selling scammy ringtone offers and weight loss, but sneering at ebooks as being "unethical". But that's just human nature. :)

I probably miss out on a lot of AM profit because I don't personally want to sell stuff like that - I just couldn't look at myself in the mirror with any sort of pride having spent a day flogging pink patches to teenage girls.

On the other hand, I sell an expensive eBook which is bloody excellent and delivers a lot of value to the people who buy it. Enough that they often come back and buy a coaching course for several $K. However it's aimed at a demographic who really need the information (NOT Internet marketers).

As to why it's an ebook, and not a published book - simple. profit. If I sell an ebook from my site for $50, it makes $48 (after paypal fees).

If the book is published in paper form, you have to pay for typesetting, printing, storage, distribution, shipping and possibly retail. That leaves anywhere between $3-8 profit for the author. (add another 10% if you sell it through an amazon affiliate link. W00t.)

Add to the fact that you can get an ebook written, hit "print to PDF" and have a saleable product within 10 mins, versus weeks for a paper book, it's a very attractive format.

That said I agree that all make money fast ebooks are a total scam, and those who hawk them should be tarred and feathered and run out of WF on a rail.
 
Ya I don't get it, maybe the hate is just against the idiots who come on here trying to get us to buy their ebook. In my eyes they are both scams and if I can make money of either I will...as I believe 99% of the people on here would.

There is a thread dedicated to free ebooks which I think is a contradiction to what WickedFire is all about. If I had an ebook that was posted in that thread, I'd be pretty pissed that a forum that is created by many people who make money off fabrications online (including myself) has a thread dedicated to trying to expose guys making money off fabricating stories.

Deep thoughts...I know!
 
g33ks said:
Whats the difference between selling and Ebook (obv scam) and a ringtone, acai diet etc?

I just don't see how Ebooks are "evil' on WickedFire but its ok to sell someone a bottle of acai, which we all know doesn't work and tricks the majority into being re-billed.
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We don't hate eBook b/c they are scams. We hate them b/c 99.9% are recycled trash, or just incorrect info from some noob thinking he will get rich from pretending he knows what he's talking about.

And since we live and breathe this industry, we can see how shitty they are right off the bat...
 
I_like_cock said:
I don't pay for ebooks ... but there are many shit ebooks that I've read thru that were 98% pages of fluff but had one good idea in there that made me $. I'm open to logical responses.
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that's pretty much my philosophy on the whole subject.
 
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