VPS/PS hosting for blackhat
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Well DreamHost are retards anyway, fuck them.
I recommend VPSFactory.com, it will be hosted in NL (dunno if you care about that) but they definitely won't mind about this.
I recommend VPSFactory.com, it will be hosted in NL (dunno if you care about that) but they definitely won't mind about this.
If you aren't doing spam shit directly from their ip's, generally you should be fine. Just don't tear down the server with heavy scripts and they probably won't even notice.
Not sure why people think just because something isn't illegal that you can just go ahead and do it. Kinda like how thinking you have free speech on a message board other than your own, there are terms you agree to when you sign up for a service, as such just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean its going to be a widely popular and accepted part of a provider's terms.
What you might have to do is concentrate on overseas companies offering VPSes in regions where they're generally not impacted by complaints of said activities.
no one will care about scraping scripts if you're only using server resources you've paid for. Unless your host is retarded.
I'd avoid any VPS provider that provides "burst" ram, its basically not much different than shared hosting, because you'll end up getting kicked if you use the burst ram too much. Instead concentrate on VPSes that don't use burst ram, just simply gives you a guaranteed ram, that way even if you max out your ram for long periods of time, you're not going to get kicked. CPU usage on the other hand cay vary but I don't think a PHP script scraping for example would really eat much more than say a busy wordpress site.
Well, because it isn't illegal, that's why. If something isn't forbidden (even indirectly) in the ToS (nor anywhere else) then why couldn't you do it?
If its not forbidden in their TOS then by all means go for it, thats why you need to read their TOS to see if it is or not. You're basically misinterpreting what I'm saying. A small handful of people tend to think if its not illegal, then should be fine without even bothering to read the TOS or AUP. I'm just clarifying that point since the person I quoted said if its not illegal then they wouldn't care.
And he is incorrect, blackhat depending on the method is illegal, the cookie stuffing guy got 5 years.
I never said I thought that.. But because it's not inherently illegal (it can be) the vast majority of hosts don't have a problem with it which is why I thought it was strange to ask. You could buy a VPS from almost anywhere and not run into any problems as far as I'm aware.
well... dreamhost just banned my account (I have 14 days to move all my stuff... and its fucking lots of stuff).
Now, I need a new vps that won't ban me one day and will stay around for long, godaddy looks good and also VPSFactory.com, any1 worked with them? how is their support? are they really black hat seo patient?
Now, I need a new vps that won't ban me one day and will stay around for long, godaddy looks good and also VPSFactory.com, any1 worked with them? how is their support? are they really black hat seo patient?
Well, I've worked with fsckvps.com and so far the only thing they seem to care about is the bandwidth consumption. You might want to try them, but only if you can handle "raw" Linux without any support whatsoever (except for the restart and any other stuff you can't do remotely). They have quite reasonable prices too.
For the long run you might want to separate your data into "legal" and "blackhat only". Then you could put the legal one on any VPS of your choice without the fear of being caught or terminated, while the "blackhat only" data remains on another VPS. I've seen some "special" services provided for blackhat purposes mostly. They usually include services such as automatic log scraping, wiping files permanently (i.e. by overwriting their physical space several times with junk) and so on. Their prices might be a bit higher though, but it's definitely worth a try. Oh and don't forget to keep a local backup of your blackhat data in case the data on the servers are deleted (to avoid the police using them as evidence against you for example
). Of course it all depends on the degree of nastiness your blackhat "operations" involve.What cookie stuffing guy? And what was the charge against him?
I recommend staying away from godaddy..
Other good options are slicehost and vps.net but who knows if they are 'blackhat patient'... Unless you ask them you're not going to know but chances are for most of the stuff you might be doing they won't care.
Man Guilty In eBay 'Cookie-Stuffing' Fraud - cbs5.com
cookie stuffing fell under wire fraud as I'd imagine half the blackhat techniques could, as I know click fraud is also illegal yet another popular blackhat method. (basically anything that could be illegal would get shoved under the blackhat title anyways, due to the meaning of the name even if there are other methods that just simply circumvent search engines algorithms, or exploit a browser's safegaurd)
Thx for the article. I agree that basically anything that's illegal in its nature or highly immoral, but legally dubious (such as spamming) is a blackhat technique. However this cookie stuffing case is just another "fine" example of the typical, arrogant American hypocrisy. You've made a program which CAN be used for wire fraud? Off to jail with you then! The sooner the better! And the advertisers (the actual criminals) who committed the crime? Errrr....we're already on it, don't worry, USA will be free again, god bless America. And now we shall recite the flag salute.
But now seriously! How long do you intend to punish people for their creativity instead of the real criminals? As in this case the fraudster was NOT the PFY who cooked up the cookie stuffing script (and was selling it), but the restless teenagers who used it to defraud eBay? Strangely enough the article doesn't say a word about them. Land of the free, isn't it? And it doesn't make one bit of difference that this program CAN be used for cookie stuffing. What if it's a security auditing tool that has been abused by them (the advertisers)? Is this REALLY what presumption of innocence looks like? Or is it mroe about impotent prosecutors who are unable to track down the fraudulent advertisers? So they just get someone else indeed? Something's fishy in the whole story......