Scaling Arbitrage Campaigns

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After putting up some arbitrage pages and based on some preliminary numbers (traffic, conversions, CTR), it looks as if I'll have to scale out to about 1000 pages to hit over $150 bucks per day.

Is anyone getting a decent chunk of cash from less than 500 pages?

I'm asking this because I find that creating arbitrage pages with useful content and decent layouts (what Jon refers to as Arbitrage 2.0) gets better click-throughs than the usual blue link POS sites.

The problem is it takes time to create the content and layout. So, it's going to take forever to hit 1000 pages and start making a decent income.

Ahahahahah...:anon.sml:...Ahahahahaha

Appreciate any suggestions.
 


Find more creative ways to automate? Try and swipe better text mabye.. see if there are some places to grab content from programmableweb.com/apis.
Some ideas.
if you know some basic web development stuff, if not start reading.
for a niche make the site like /broadkeyword/###KEYWORD###.html or something similar.
Grab content for the specific keyword first, then grab some for the broad keyword and grab images for the broad keyword and create your site from that.
If you only use the specific ###KEYWORD### chances are you wont get much from it.
You can also throw in some templated content if you want
{keyword} is really nice, if your are in the market for {keyword} you have come to the right site because a site about {broadkeyword} is bound to have information on {keyword}. blah blah
obviously be creative with it.

Now I know some of that isnt as easy as I made it out to be. but basically learn how to use mod rewrite and some basic xml parsing with php and you should be able to figure it out "simplexml".


One thing to consider if your having a hard time creating pages built on keywords.. and I am considering trying this.

Create your pages first using an article directory or wikipedia or whatever.. something where you can go through categories full of content. then do this:
Profitable niches in under 10 minutes | SEOproToolZ
with your pages

and use those keywords to drive traffic to your pages.
let me know if that makes it easier or even works for you if you get it done first!
 
You can make great looking Arbi 2.0 pages with a content generator such as YACG and some nice templates. For content, try different sources but try to find a good balance of unique AND relevant scrapes. And remember to keep leaks to a minimum - preferably none at all.

As for profit versus # of sites... There are several people here making more than a few bucks per arbi page / day. I'm still trying to increase the profit margin myself but I know it is possible to make $500 daily with less than 200 pages. I will NOT quit until I'm there! :) :)
 
Or, you could just buy an article database or scrape one, generate a mass of pages... pick a page, look at the ads it gets then drive targeted traffic to it.
 
Thanks. Some good suggestions.

I did try to do pages with some general information around the topic and I found two problems:

1. low CTR even with targeted ads. May be do to the information not matching the search i.e. they searched for : "compare fuzzy space widgets," but the page has general info on fuzzy space widgets, so no click through.

2. Second problem, some pages with scraped Wikipedia text had lousy ad targetting. So this = extremely low CTR as well as low payouts.

I'm thinking that markov content would be good for ad targeting, but lousy for click throughs because the content is gibberish = press back button and lousy CTR.

fenryr said:
if you'd need 1000 pages to get to $150 you probably don't spend enough on traffic
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Out of that 1000 a lot of pages would be getting only 1 or 2 clicks a day (little to no traffic), maybe I just need better niches.
 
So why not try creating the pages first then matching keywords to the ads that show? I am buzy looking for an article database to buy or scrape right now. If you know the ads first hand, look at the urls that are advertising and put them through spyfu or something. or just guess what keywords will convert with those ads.
 
lerchmo said:
Or, you could just buy an article database or scrape one, generate a mass of pages... pick a page, look at the ads it gets then drive targeted traffic to it.
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He could, but since we're talking arbi here it means traffic is paid. And the key to arbi success is finding the right profitable niches. And not just any niches, but niches that: bring as much traffic as possible, at the lowest ppc cost possible, with the highest possible cpc revenue, and make the ctr as high as possible. *phew*
 
lerchmo said:
So why not try creating the pages first then matching keywords to the ads that show? I am buzy looking for an article database to buy or scrape right now. If you know the ads first hand, look at the urls that are advertising and put them through spyfu or something. or just guess what keywords will convert with those ads.
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dude ur avatar is annoying as fuck
 
lerchmo said:
So why not try creating the pages first then matching keywords to the ads that show? I am buzy looking for an article database to buy or scrape right now. If you know the ads first hand, look at the urls that are advertising and put them through spyfu or something. or just guess what keywords will convert with those ads.
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Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm going to try it after I configure YACG not to create so many damn page leaks.

BTW, has anyone gotten any complaints scraping article directories, but not linking back or omitting the author by line? :) Me no like Adsense ban.
 
I think its fine to put links in your pages "leaks" as long as they look exactly like the text and the chances of someone clicking are very low
 
President Lex said:
After putting up some arbitrage pages and based on some preliminary numbers (traffic, conversions, CTR), it looks as if I'll have to scale out to about 1000 pages to hit over $150 bucks per day.

Is anyone getting a decent chunk of cash from less than 500 pages?

I'm asking this because I find that creating arbitrage pages with useful content and decent layouts (what Jon refers to as Arbitrage 2.0) gets better click-throughs than the usual blue link POS sites.

The problem is it takes time to create the content and layout. So, it's going to take forever to hit 1000 pages and start making a decent income.

Ahahahahah...:anon.sml:...Ahahahahaha

Appreciate any suggestions.
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What's the CTR like for your arbitrage 2.0?
I use traditional-90s-like-crap layout and my average CTR is 45%.... i have no idea how high arbitrage 2.0 CTR can be
 
president lex - I do well over $600 a day on 150 pages. sure it took me hundreds if not a couple thousand pages to find the 150 pages. those are my best 150 niches. The other pages make money just not as much.
If you find a niche that has alot of traffic but you are having trouble converting it on your page expand the site, maybe try a navigation bar with specifics of that niche and then put in your ad.
 
chrislingle said:
president lex - I do well over $600 a day on 150 pages. sure it took me hundreds if not a couple thousand pages to find the 150 pages. those are my best 150 niches. The other pages make money just not as much.
If you find a niche that has alot of traffic but you are having trouble converting it on your page expand the site, maybe try a navigation bar with specifics of that niche and then put in your ad.
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COooool!

for myself, i make 700 but spend around 300 .... (ROI 2.3:1) that's really painful!

how's ur ROI like for these 150 pages? how about other pages that make money but not that much, do you keep them running or you just leave them?
 
vai_lee my CTR on Arbitrage 2.0 sites is over 65%, though I'm pretty sure it could be improved. I never found out how to get those crap sites to convert, I'm doing about 10% CTR on those.
chrislingle said:
president lex - I do well over $600 a day on 150 pages. sure it took me hundreds if not a couple thousand pages to find the 150 pages. those are my best 150 niches. The other pages make money just not as much.
If you find a niche that has alot of traffic but you are having trouble converting it on your page expand the site, maybe try a navigation bar with specifics of that niche and then put in your ad.
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chrislingle, :eek: that's impressive. I read in one of your threads that you hand create your arbitrage sites, what was the time frame for creating and putting up bids for all those pages?
 
I hand create content, so what Jon says is Arbi 2.0 wtf? everything else is automated. I have been doing auto gen content tests lately and getting just over 2:1 on it so I will stick with it for a while. I keep anything running that is positive ROI, I do have whole 7search and adwords accounts that I turn off if I need to spend more money someplace else. (I budget everything and try and stick to it as much as possible.) so what usually happens is I run all my arbi pages for about 1 to 2 weeks a month, the rest of the month I stick to a core group of about 650 pages that have the best ROI. The core group grows every month.
 
Chris;

I'm similar in the fact that I do my own content and the other parts of the page are automated. The problem I have is uploading ad campaigns.

For example, this morning I did six campaigns with keywords generated in keywordcountry and some other places and saved 'em as spreadsheets so that I could upload to the PPC engines. It's taken me aaaages to create each separate campaign in adcenter though and when you multiply that across a few PPC engines it's just ridiculous. Do you use any tools to manage this side of things? I'm not registered with adwords and yahoo but I hope it's easier to create campaigns for them than it is for adcenter!
 
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