Need to pick a part an affiliate network owners brain (shit even just an affiliate's)

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Well, as most of you know, I'm a software developer. I design software for SEO and Keyword Research mostly. My software is pretty unique for the most part, there are minimal competitors in my market (especially for my wonder wheel scraper) So, being in this market, I built my own affiliate network (hard coded) from the ground up. What I need to learn now, is acquiring some BAMF affiliates.

As of right now, my network is pretty appealing and competitive. I offer 35% per sale - with incentive to raise per week, meaning, if an affiliate makes more than 10 sales per week, each week their commission raises 5%, up until they reach 50% commission per sale. I also implemented the super affiliate system - meaning - affiliates can refer other affiliates and make 10% per sale their referrals make for the life of their account.

I've searched affiliates who are selling keyword research software - contacted them, but it just doesn't seem to work very well. I mean, I got a couple, but they really aren't doing shit. I probably contacted 100 different people, got maybe 3 to follow up.

Someone suggested buying media, but that can get super fucking expensive, but could also be worth.

I guess all I really need to know, from someone with experience, is how can I cost efficiently gain affiliates and super affiliates? How did you do it? Direct contact with affiliates? Buying media? Pushing it to your customers? Forum interaction? Attending affiliate events?

It's really putting a strain on my brain (phat rhyme).

I'd appreciate all suggestions

Thanks WF,
Cod

*P.S. I cannot receive PM's due to technical error with WF DB (should be resolved soon**
 


Oh, and one other thing is - with the commission that I offer, what would you an affiliate want to see in a network? Of course high payouts, on time payments, product additions.

What else?
 
So whats your name? What offers? Payment terms? Acceptable traffic?

Well, the name (only for sole purpose of review by WF members is) Research Rankings, you can poke your head around the network and give feedback (would be much appreciated http://affiliates.researchrankings.com/home )

Offers: My software for SEO and Keyword research, and more coming soon. Such as my wonderwheel scraper at the price of $67 to the public, offering 35% commission to new affiliates which is $23.50 per sale, the commission can be bumped up if an affiliate makes more than 10 sales per week by 5% per week until an affiliate reaches 50% (it can never drop after it's gone up)

Payment terms - $50 threshold in affiliates accounts - paid weekly (daily if doing high volume) via paypal.

Acceptable Traffic: Anything other than blatant spam
 
Contact Jon about buying some advertising on WF. There are many lookers that never post, so you'll get a good ROI as this is a highly-targeted place for what you're wanting.

As for what affiliates want:

  • Weekly payments (this is critical for those that do PPC in large volume) for affiliates that do more than 20 sales a week.
  • Multiple payment methods, including Wire transfers (You'd need to figure out when this is cost-efficient for you).
  • Quality (Pretty) creatives with a variety to choose from.
  • No BS offer pages
Edit: Ah, you already covered weekly payments.
 
Contact Jon about buying some advertising on WF. There are many lookers that never post, so you'll get a good ROI as this is a highly-targeted place for what you're wanting.

As for what affiliates want:

  • Weekly payments (this is critical for those that do PPC in large volume) for affiliates that do more than 20 sales a week.
  • Multiple payment methods, including Wire transfers (You'd need to figure out when this is cost-efficient for you).
  • Quality (Pretty) creatives with a variety to choose from.
  • No BS offer pages
Edit: Ah, you already covered weekly payments.

Yeah I looked into buying ad space on WF - something like $6,000 a month which is not really what I'm looking to spend just in one place.

As far as the weekly payments - yes, that is going to be standard. Daily payments are an option if the affiliate is doing really high volume.

As far as multiple payment methods, I've not looked into that at all.

Creatives, yeah, as of right now, we do not have a huge selection, but can easily add more no problem.

As far as no BS offer pages, I think the pages I have now are pretty straight to the point
Best keyword research tool - Best Wonderwheel Scraper
Keywords Digger | Finding Keywords the easy way | Keyword Research tool
and
http://www.darkping.com
 
yeah, I've offered a few free reviews - I need to do that more than I am now. Could possibly grab the eyes of some people and hopefully convert them to affiliates.
 
lol.

I'll weigh in though you might hate my answer:

1. You have a digital product, and decided to build your whole network around it, kinda backwards.

2. This is the part you might hate me for: You should have gone with ClickBank. Hate on it all you want, I have a handful of software sites too and all go through CB which will literally get you hundreds of affiliates with even the smallest promo/smart launch tactics.

3. ^ Before doing any of that though: I understand you did some competitive intel, and tried to position yourself accordingly among them, and I'm hoping you did the same due diligence on your own with the offer, and can boast a very healthy conversion rate. < If you can't get it to convert too well even with great tests/media buys/a few aff's, tweak it or get a pro to help until it's maximized. Only then should you try to bring on affiliates or manually recruit them.

4. Going back to being digital, it's server space and some tech/customer support, and you only offer 35%, < Sorry that's going to look horrible to any marketer that pushes this stuff as most good progs offer 50-75%, and in your case if you're trying to poach affiliates from competitors you should be giving them 100% of their first 25 sales and then 75% on the front end. Make it a real no brainer or even offer the bigger ones a free $50 to play with in PPC or other to test you against their current campaigns.

5. Second tier: I don't really know anyone that makes decent coin, that would recruit competition to themselves for a lil' slice, I wouldn't, I know my bigger aff's wouldn't. You'll get a shitload of newbs recruiting a shitload of newbs.

6. Lists: Again might hate on me for this but go to warriorforum, do a WSO, do a JV thread, pay for bigger solo blasts those guys will eat this shit up like a wagenheim cherry cake. ONE big list owner going through CB, emails xxx,xxx idiots, they all come and buy and at least xxx or x,xxx become affiliates = you bank hard or your offer blows and you restructure.

7. If you follow all of the above, you'll see the various ins/outs vendors go through, and more importantly you'll be protected from any and all chargebacks/fraud/stolen CC's/and have trust from affiliates that don't like to promote in-house offers for fear of getting raped (clickbank is way the fuck safer than any CPA for vendors, and way safer than going in-house if you're not familiar with what can go wrong fast). At this point, is when I'd think about opening a network/line-up of great converting offers and switch to in-house (at that point you might not even want to - I run 30+ offers through CB, acting as my own lil' network that's protected by a bigger one).

Hope that helps,
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lol.

I'll weigh in though you might hate my answer:

1. You have a digital product, and decided to build your whole network around it, kinda backwards.

2. This is the part you might hate me for: You should have gone with ClickBank. Hate on it all you want, I have a handful of software sites too and all go through CB which will literally get you hundreds of affiliates with even the smallest promo/smart launch tactics.

3. ^ Before doing any of that though: I understand you did some competitive intel, and tried to position yourself accordingly among them, and I'm hoping you did the same due diligence on your own with the offer, and can boast a very healthy conversion rate. < If you can't get it to convert too well even with great tests/media buys/a few aff's, tweak it or get a pro to help until it's maximized. Only then should you try to bring on affiliates or manually recruit them.

4. Going back to being digital, it's server space and some tech/customer support, and you only offer 35%, < Sorry that's going to look horrible to any marketer that pushes this stuff as most good progs offer 50-75%, and in your case if you're trying to poach affiliates from competitors you should be giving them 100% of their first 25 sales and then 75% on the front end. Make it a real no brainer or even offer the bigger ones a free $50 to play with in PPC or other to test you against their current campaigns.

5. Second tier: I don't really know anyone that makes decent coin, that would recruit competition to themselves for a lil' slice, I wouldn't, I know my bigger aff's wouldn't. You'll get a shitload of newbs recruiting a shitload of newbs.

6. Lists: Again might hate on me for this but go to warriorforum, do a WSO, do a JV thread, pay for bigger solo blasts those guys will eat this shit up like a wagenheim cherry cake. ONE big list owner going through CB, emails xxx,xxx idiots, they all come and buy and at least xxx or x,xxx become affiliates = you bank hard or your offer blows and you restructure.

7. If you follow all of the above, you'll see the various ins/outs vendors go through, and more importantly you'll be protected from any and all chargebacks/fraud/stolen CC's/and have trust from affiliates that don't like to promote in-house offers for fear of getting raped (clickbank is way the fuck safer than any CPA for vendors, and way safer than going in-house if you're not familiar with what can go wrong fast). At this point, is when I'd think about opening a network/line-up of great converting offers and switch to in-house (at that point you might not even want to - I run 30+ offers through CB, acting as my own lil' network that's protected by a bigger one).

Hope that helps,
Norb.

Epic.

Thanks for your response. I'll post back when I get some time, about to head out the door now.
 
lol.

I'll weigh in though you might hate my answer:

1. You have a digital product, and decided to build your whole network around it, kinda backwards.

2. This is the part you might hate me for: You should have gone with ClickBank. Hate on it all you want, I have a handful of software sites too and all go through CB which will literally get you hundreds of affiliates with even the smallest promo/smart launch tactics.

3. ^ Before doing any of that though: I understand you did some competitive intel, and tried to position yourself accordingly among them, and I'm hoping you did the same due diligence on your own with the offer, and can boast a very healthy conversion rate. < If you can't get it to convert too well even with great tests/media buys/a few aff's, tweak it or get a pro to help until it's maximized. Only then should you try to bring on affiliates or manually recruit them.

4. Going back to being digital, it's server space and some tech/customer support, and you only offer 35%, < Sorry that's going to look horrible to any marketer that pushes this stuff as most good progs offer 50-75%, and in your case if you're trying to poach affiliates from competitors you should be giving them 100% of their first 25 sales and then 75% on the front end. Make it a real no brainer or even offer the bigger ones a free $50 to play with in PPC or other to test you against their current campaigns.

5. Second tier: I don't really know anyone that makes decent coin, that would recruit competition to themselves for a lil' slice, I wouldn't, I know my bigger aff's wouldn't. You'll get a shitload of newbs recruiting a shitload of newbs.

6. Lists: Again might hate on me for this but go to warriorforum, do a WSO, do a JV thread, pay for bigger solo blasts those guys will eat this shit up like a wagenheim cherry cake. ONE big list owner going through CB, emails xxx,xxx idiots, they all come and buy and at least xxx or x,xxx become affiliates = you bank hard or your offer blows and you restructure.

7. If you follow all of the above, you'll see the various ins/outs vendors go through, and more importantly you'll be protected from any and all chargebacks/fraud/stolen CC's/and have trust from affiliates that don't like to promote in-house offers for fear of getting raped (clickbank is way the fuck safer than any CPA for vendors, and way safer than going in-house if you're not familiar with what can go wrong fast). At this point, is when I'd think about opening a network/line-up of great converting offers and switch to in-house (at that point you might not even want to - I run 30+ offers through CB, acting as my own lil' network that's protected by a bigger one).

Hope that helps,
Norb.

Norb always delivering the roundhouse kick...good shit buddy
 
lol.

I'll weigh in though you might hate my answer:

1. You have a digital product, and decided to build your whole network around it, kinda backwards.

2. This is the part you might hate me for: You should have gone with ClickBank. Hate on it all you want, I have a handful of software sites too and all go through CB which will literally get you hundreds of affiliates with even the smallest promo/smart launch tactics.

3. ^ Before doing any of that though: I understand you did some competitive intel, and tried to position yourself accordingly among them, and I'm hoping you did the same due diligence on your own with the offer, and can boast a very healthy conversion rate. < If you can't get it to convert too well even with great tests/media buys/a few aff's, tweak it or get a pro to help until it's maximized. Only then should you try to bring on affiliates or manually recruit them.

4. Going back to being digital, it's server space and some tech/customer support, and you only offer 35%, < Sorry that's going to look horrible to any marketer that pushes this stuff as most good progs offer 50-75%, and in your case if you're trying to poach affiliates from competitors you should be giving them 100% of their first 25 sales and then 75% on the front end. Make it a real no brainer or even offer the bigger ones a free $50 to play with in PPC or other to test you against their current campaigns.

5. Second tier: I don't really know anyone that makes decent coin, that would recruit competition to themselves for a lil' slice, I wouldn't, I know my bigger aff's wouldn't. You'll get a shitload of newbs recruiting a shitload of newbs.

6. Lists: Again might hate on me for this but go to warriorforum, do a WSO, do a JV thread, pay for bigger solo blasts those guys will eat this shit up like a wagenheim cherry cake. ONE big list owner going through CB, emails xxx,xxx idiots, they all come and buy and at least xxx or x,xxx become affiliates = you bank hard or your offer blows and you restructure.

7. If you follow all of the above, you'll see the various ins/outs vendors go through, and more importantly you'll be protected from any and all chargebacks/fraud/stolen CC's/and have trust from affiliates that don't like to promote in-house offers for fear of getting raped (clickbank is way the fuck safer than any CPA for vendors, and way safer than going in-house if you're not familiar with what can go wrong fast). At this point, is when I'd think about opening a network/line-up of great converting offers and switch to in-house (at that point you might not even want to - I run 30+ offers through CB, acting as my own lil' network that's protected by a bigger one).

Hope that helps,
Norb.

Ok, I'm home now - Thanks for the epic resonse :)

1. How is developing my products then down the road developing a full network backwards? I must be missing something.

2. I've got it listed on ClickBank. It seems difficult to acquire big affiliates on ClickBank. Of course that could boil down to the lower commission rates (35%) which I do not mind increasing at all.

3. I did a lot of research on competitors. As far as media buys, the conversions were low. Mostly because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing when it comes to media buys, and it def. would not hurt to have a pro maximizing my offers, etc.

4. Yes, the commission is low. I'm realizing that now, especially for it being a digital product. I am thinking of bumping to 50-75% just to test it and see the type of response I get from affiliates. Also, I think that is a great idea giving 100% for the first X amount of sales, sort of an incentive. Along with $50 credit towards their PPC is a good idea as well.

5. Makes sense completely. It's for the lower affiliates in a sense. Of course it will always stay an option, not a requirement.

6. Could you elaborate further on #6? :)

7. I know exactly what you mean, it could be difficult promoting in-house due to lack of credibility. I completely agree with using CB to get the ball rolling. I think in order to have successful offers on CB - the conversions must be good, with high payout. I think I'll focus on that a bit more than my in-house network for now.

I do appreciate it bud. Eye opener :)


-Cod
 
Cheers :)

1. Just meant before you start up a network with your own offers, you should have at least a few of them that are proven to perform already. Sounds like you're rolling out a network and an unproven product all in-house at the same time. I stand corrected. < Not to mention you'd be a perfect target for shady shit re being in-house.

2. Yeah there are tons of variables at hand. By default they have the most aff's in the world, both great ones and total idiots. Either way - they are just the processor + aff technology, your offer still has to convert well for YOU first. If you researched comps on CB, then you probably saw keywordelite and a few of the others. I'd inspect them to death and not deviate too much from their model including backend shit, affiliates LOVE backend shit. Shameless plug, first sig link re sick launch, it's a $29 offer, with 3 up/downsells and then members area with xx more products + cb's 60 day cookie = affiliate love all the way around, and they stick around/promote longer because of it. You should consider maximizing the pitch and testing for a month or two across 2/3 splits or proper multi-variate tests, THEN structure a proper launch not just start recruiting one by one.

3. Forget the term 'media buys' - I just meant convert the offer and maximize it yourself through whatever media/resources you can. Put yourself in a real affiliates shoes promoting your offer. Even do some grass roots shit re articles, 2.0 sites, youtube vids, all going to a lander your aff would use. I often find that on the grass roots products when you simply prove to yourself that you can maximize conversions on your own acting as your own affiliate, you can easily recruit and others find YOU really fast.

4. Trust me, it might seem like you're giving a big chunk of your business away however bump your shit to 70% asap for now, and start thinking of backend one-click-upsells (actually you have to get approved for that by CB). It WILL attract more affiliates, but don't just rely on that alone, again you have to make sure the thing converts. Otherwise you'll get a high turnover rate of aff's constantly coming, testing, and leaving. It will trickle in sales and you'll think you're doing ok but it's just turnover with very little retention.

It's pretty much every other vendor on CB (not saying this is you) - they launch a site/quick product and recruit from dp/wf fast hoping people test it for them, do your own testing, SHOW your conversions/screens/hops per order/you'll get boatloads of aff's. If you just think "all i need is more volume on affiliates" I think you might find it's more complex than that, otherwise they would have already found you instead of you hunting and coming up short.

5. You might even find that bigger aff's avoid programs with more than one tier. They consider prime programs golden and will want LESS affiliates. Not sure you're going to want to have both your own network and CB both pushing the offer - aff wars may ensue, better be sure both networks offer all the same payouts/pricepoints/etc. I used to think the more offers I could get my shit on the better, I've since reverted my thinking and now love having all my shit with one good network on one tier. Aff's like it better too.

6. I'll assume you've been to warriorforum, it's full of your prospects, and some of your competitors even ;) - You're also in a niche that clickbankers will indeed find useful. So - if you can get someone to do a blast for you to their IM niche CB lists, you stand to make considerable moves fast and here's why:

Clickbankers love buying shit with their own hoplink, which in turn gets you a gravity point. Which is a charting system clickbank uses (sorry if you know all this, just being TLDR so all can benefit). So if you attract a few heavy hitters to do blasts for you, even if you give them 100% (paypal the bonuses) it's still worth it for you re your gravity. Mailer sends to a huge list, a shitlaod of clickbankers WILL buy with their own hoplinks to save 70% (once you raise it), your gravity can easily hit 50-100 fast like this. Now it 'seems' like your program is flying, because all the affiliates see it rising in the charts fast, so they come promote (common tactic now but still works really well). This also often makes it really easy to turn your customers into your aff's. This is all still assuming that you got your STEP ONE right, being conversion mastered and having a good healthy backend for aff's to bank on and create great retention for them.

fuck sorry this is turning into a book.

7. Yeah don't beat yourself up over it man, a network and a vendor are not too often exclusive to each other. Look around here, granted most shit is CPA, networks are not offer owners, and usually they want it that way for many complex reasons/liability/etc. You think a popular 7 figure network doesn't have the power or resources to launch a bunch of internal offers? Risky shit for them, though it does happen once the network is established and has tons of pubs. That's what I meant by backwards, usually a network will be a great middleman for a while until they harvest enough pubs, then launch internal offers for them (or hide under friends names - 'we have a good new offer'...). Anyway, in-house can be a nightmare bro. Let's assume your shit takes off, you now have to look after payouts, incremental chargebacks, fraud/QC, on top of customer support, affiliate support, offer tweaks, resource additions, blah - for 7.5% I gladly let CB do the most important parts (process cards, protect me and affs from shade).

Best of luck w/it. You should absorb a couple really good launch formula resources, apply what you can and do a relaunch properly on CB. Haven't seen the product but just hearing/seeing here it sounds like you could be a good player in the niche. Also - often times the brightest minds and best scripts/softwares go unnoticed due to lack of marketing know-how. It might suck to call yourself a clickbanker or to model your site after the traditional long scroll shitty look - but you should 100% follow suit imo (my college prof's would fucking turn over in their graves if they saw some of my sites, and call me a sellout for sacrificing design for conversions but they don't pay my bills or for my toys so don't ever be scared to try ugly).

Word.
N.
 
Cheers :)

1. Just meant before you start up a network with your own offers, you should have at least a few of them that are proven to perform already. Sounds like you're rolling out a network and an unproven product all in-house at the same time. I stand corrected. < Not to mention you'd be a perfect target for shady shit re being in-house.

2. Yeah there are tons of variables at hand. By default they have the most aff's in the world, both great ones and total idiots. Either way - they are just the processor + aff technology, your offer still has to convert well for YOU first. If you researched comps on CB, then you probably saw keywordelite and a few of the others. I'd inspect them to death and not deviate too much from their model including backend shit, affiliates LOVE backend shit. Shameless plug, first sig link re sick launch, it's a $29 offer, with 3 up/downsells and then members area with xx more products + cb's 60 day cookie = affiliate love all the way around, and they stick around/promote longer because of it. You should consider maximizing the pitch and testing for a month or two across 2/3 splits or proper multi-variate tests, THEN structure a proper launch not just start recruiting one by one.

3. Forget the term 'media buys' - I just meant convert the offer and maximize it yourself through whatever media/resources you can. Put yourself in a real affiliates shoes promoting your offer. Even do some grass roots shit re articles, 2.0 sites, youtube vids, all going to a lander your aff would use. I often find that on the grass roots products when you simply prove to yourself that you can maximize conversions on your own acting as your own affiliate, you can easily recruit and others find YOU really fast.

4. Trust me, it might seem like you're giving a big chunk of your business away however bump your shit to 70% asap for now, and start thinking of backend one-click-upsells (actually you have to get approved for that by CB). It WILL attract more affiliates, but don't just rely on that alone, again you have to make sure the thing converts. Otherwise you'll get a high turnover rate of aff's constantly coming, testing, and leaving. It will trickle in sales and you'll think you're doing ok but it's just turnover with very little retention.

It's pretty much every other vendor on CB (not saying this is you) - they launch a site/quick product and recruit from dp/wf fast hoping people test it for them, do your own testing, SHOW your conversions/screens/hops per order/you'll get boatloads of aff's. If you just think "all i need is more volume on affiliates" I think you might find it's more complex than that, otherwise they would have already found you instead of you hunting and coming up short.

5. You might even find that bigger aff's avoid programs with more than one tier. They consider prime programs golden and will want LESS affiliates. Not sure you're going to want to have both your own network and CB both pushing the offer - aff wars may ensue, better be sure both networks offer all the same payouts/pricepoints/etc. I used to think the more offers I could get my shit on the better, I've since reverted my thinking and now love having all my shit with one good network on one tier. Aff's like it better too.

6. I'll assume you've been to warriorforum, it's full of your prospects, and some of your competitors even ;) - You're also in a niche that clickbankers will indeed find useful. So - if you can get someone to do a blast for you to their IM niche CB lists, you stand to make considerable moves fast and here's why:

Clickbankers love buying shit with their own hoplink, which in turn gets you a gravity point. Which is a charting system clickbank uses (sorry if you know all this, just being TLDR so all can benefit). So if you attract a few heavy hitters to do blasts for you, even if you give them 100% (paypal the bonuses) it's still worth it for you re your gravity. Mailer sends to a huge list, a shitlaod of clickbankers WILL buy with their own hoplinks to save 70% (once you raise it), your gravity can easily hit 50-100 fast like this. Now it 'seems' like your program is flying, because all the affiliates see it rising in the charts fast, so they come promote (common tactic now but still works really well). This also often makes it really easy to turn your customers into your aff's. This is all still assuming that you got your STEP ONE right, being conversion mastered and having a good healthy backend for aff's to bank on and create great retention for them.

fuck sorry this is turning into a book.

7. Yeah don't beat yourself up over it man, a network and a vendor are not too often exclusive to each other. Look around here, granted most shit is CPA, networks are not offer owners, and usually they want it that way for many complex reasons/liability/etc. You think a popular 7 figure network doesn't have the power or resources to launch a bunch of internal offers? Risky shit for them, though it does happen once the network is established and has tons of pubs. That's what I meant by backwards, usually a network will be a great middleman for a while until they harvest enough pubs, then launch internal offers for them (or hide under friends names - 'we have a good new offer'...). Anyway, in-house can be a nightmare bro. Let's assume your shit takes off, you now have to look after payouts, incremental chargebacks, fraud/QC, on top of customer support, affiliate support, offer tweaks, resource additions, blah - for 7.5% I gladly let CB do the most important parts (process cards, protect me and affs from shade).

Best of luck w/it. You should absorb a couple really good launch formula resources, apply what you can and do a relaunch properly on CB. Haven't seen the product but just hearing/seeing here it sounds like you could be a good player in the niche. Also - often times the brightest minds and best scripts/softwares go unnoticed due to lack of marketing know-how. It might suck to call yourself a clickbanker or to model your site after the traditional long scroll shitty look - but you should 100% follow suit imo (my college prof's would fucking turn over in their graves if they saw some of my sites, and call me a sellout for sacrificing design for conversions but they don't pay my bills or for my toys so don't ever be scared to try ugly).

Word.
N.

Amazing. +1 for both posts. (If I could give you more than one at a time, I'd give you millions.)

I really have no response for this - besides thank you.

You fucking rock.

I'm definitely taking action on 100% of everything you said.
It may take me a while to the ducks in a row after already starting my own in-house, but I will get there.

Hopefully with all of your advice I can come to you one day thanking you handing you lots of Benji's! :)
 
Perhaps mention or demo more of the advantages compared to Googles keyword search tool (free). I haven't used the tool obviously but it's going to really have to seperate itself and provide some powerful time saving features. I know the tool doesn't grab these "special keywords" that google doesn't know (right?).... so I am assuming the value is in the other "powerful features".
 
Perhaps mention or demo more of the advantages compared to Googles keyword search tool (free). I haven't used the tool obviously but it's going to really have to seperate itself and provide some powerful time saving features. I know the tool doesn't grab these "special keywords" that google doesn't know (right?).... so I am assuming the value is in the other "powerful features".

It's a time saver. You can spend hours upon hours (if not days) researching keywords/phrases.

Try it out.
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