IM and Morality

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kyoun3

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Hello ! I've been reading a lot on your business these days and I've been contemplating doing it myself. But there's also something in it that repulses me: ie. on the Net I notice almost universally an absence of quality products advertised; things the publisher himself would want to own, or would generally believe to be a good product.

If a friend asks you "what's a good book to buy?" you most likely won't send him to some E-book landing page. You'll tell him what you really think. I wish this could be done on a large scale (instead of deception) and also be profitable. Why not?

I guess my question to you is, - do you think there is something like ethical online marketing? I've given this some thought and the only thing I've come up with is to be an Amazon Affiliate. It's probably hard to earn good money with it, but you can advertise products you believe in, books you want to spread, etc. Any other ideas?

For instance, a few days ago I saw an ecology-related FB add that caught my attention. It was informative, it contained no deception, and it was for a good cause. So I clicked "Like" on it, and my friends saw that I did, and they checked what it was (free advertising for that advertiser!) -

I'm not here to judge anyone! I'm just asking you guys what you think about this, how do you deal with morality issues, and if you have any advice/ideas/opinions. Thanks!
 


Most of the people converting on internet offers need to check their own morality before I start checking mine.
 
How moral is Bank of America, with their shitty financial products?
How moral is McDonalds, with the poison they pass off as food?
How moral is Walmart, with their destructive business model and treatment of employee

Don't question the morality of IM without questioning institutions like these.
 
Hey! Thank you for the attacks and the suggestions to the mods to ban me. As I said in the first post, I'm not here to judge anyone or call your practices immoral. I'm merely asking how do you deal with these questions.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
How moral is Bank of America, with their shitty financial products?
How moral is McDonalds, with the poison they pass off as food?
How moral is Walmart, with their destructive business model and treatment of employee

Don't question the morality of IM without questioning institutions like these.
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And that's without starting to think about a lot of governments.
 
onkelmicha said:
OMG not again, I think you should give up am.
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Thank you. Maybe that's good advice; I'm still considering.

Anyway, maybe you'll be so kind to point out to other threads that are identical to this one, and I'll retract and apologize. I didn't find any so far.
 
Kyoun, just ignore these people. You're right - we Europeans have higher moral standards than these American folk, and capitalism isn't as rampant in Europe as it is over there.

You're just going to have to stoop down to their level I'm afraid. Don't worry though, because most of the people you'll be ripping off will be American, so there's an upside.

I've got an e-book that might help you if you want - 'get over your morality in 3 easy steps' for 9.99€.
 
Fact:

#1 selling book in the world, most distribution EVAR, longest upsell process, converted to more languages than any other, still selling today: Bible.

^ Religion is a whole other thread, but you could always sling bibles as apparently it's the most proven and 'safe' campaign in the world.

You're going to have a really hard time in this industry imo, and should define your morals/ethics and limits asap. Perhaps helping someone else make their millions in questionable ways/products is more your thing i.e. a job with a fancy title so you feel ethically cleansed and can pass off guilt to your boss.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
How moral is Bank of America, with their shitty financial products?
How moral is McDonalds, with the poison they pass off as food?
How moral is Walmart, with their destructive business model and treatment of employee

Don't question the morality of IM without questioning institutions like these.
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I never said IM was more immoral than the corporations you mentioned. But Google for instance - I'm not saying they're without sin - but couldn't they be considered a corp. that has managed to "market" goodness ("Don't be evil") etc.?

I asked what do you think on "ethical marketing" if such a thing can exist; and I suggested Amazon Aff. as perhaps a way.

I wonder why everyone gets so defensive and attacks so much, is it really because this thread appears a lot? I haven't seen any like this so far. It's true that I'm new, though.

If I were to engage in what Freud called "wild psychoanalysis", I'd say the attacks are expressions of repressed feelings of guilt. :)
 
kyoun3 said:
Hey! Thank you for the attacks and the suggestions to the mods to ban me. As I said in the first post, I'm not here to judge anyone or call your practices immoral. I'm merely asking how do you deal with these questions.
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You're finding out right now.

Why would I give a crap if I don't like a product that I sell. So if I'm a vegetarian I shouldn't open up a burger joint? Should I assume because I don't like something, nobody else will?

What...ever. Morality has nothing to do with this. It's about marketing and making sales. When I put a gun to there head and force the sale, THEN morality comes into play.
 
The primary goal of most (every?) Marketer is to Maximize Profit. You could be ethical and all that, but when you operate in a crowded market, which is a free for all, and everybody around you are pulling all kinds of tricks from their marketing hat, it is very hard to be ethically and morally "Rigid".

You may find it hard in the CPA space and as well as the ebook space if you have very rigid ethics.

But that said, CPA and Ebooks and are not the end of AM

There are many successful affiliates who do extremely well with Coupons, and other great CPS products. Even in CPA, you could promote Netflix or even dating.

Amazon is also GREAT. I used to be an Amazon Affiliate on 2005. Then google started a witch hunt for Duplicate content..

You will not be able to make a living out of Amazon.. maybe you can... but that needs a different set of skills.. ooops but Blackhat is also for the ethically flexible...
 
kyoun3 said:
Hey! Thank you for the attacks and the suggestions to the mods to ban me. As I said in the first post, I'm not here to judge anyone or call your practices immoral. I'm merely asking how do you deal with these questions.
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You deal with it on your own, just like any other personal decision. Now piss off.
 
1yerrot said:
You're finding out right now.

Why would I give a crap if I don't like a product that I sell. So if I'm a vegetarian I shouldn't open up a burger joint? Should I assume because I don't like something, nobody else will?

What...ever. Morality has nothing to do with this. It's about marketing and making sales. When I put a gun to there head and force the sale, THEN morality comes into play.
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Well what about lying?

Say, one has a landing page that says "Buy my Ebook I'll show you how to make 300,000$ in a day" - and after someone buys, - you're gonna say. what? ... ha! It's his own fault for being such a gullible asshole.

I don't know, do we really wanna live in a world like that?

P.S.: I'm not saying that's you. I'm giving an exaggerated example.
 
blogspotter said:
The primary goal of most (every?) Marketer is to Maximize Profit. You could be ethical and all that, but when you operate in a crowded market, which is a free for all, and everybody around you are pulling all kinds of tricks from their marketing hat, it is very hard to be ethically and morally "Rigid".

You may find it hard in the CPA space and as well as the ebook space if you have very rigid ethics.

But that said, CPA and Ebooks and are not the end of AM

There are many successful affiliates who do extremely well with Coupons, and other great CPS products. Even in CPA, you could promote Netflix or even dating.

Amazon is also GREAT. I used to be an Amazon Affiliate on 2005. Then google started a witch hunt for Duplicate content..

You will not be able to make a living out of Amazon.. maybe you can... but that needs a different set of skills.. ooops but Blackhat is also for the ethically flexible...
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Thank you for an actual reply to my question instead of filling this thread with yet another GTFO/ piss off / f*** you, etc. :)

What do you mean with different set of skills?
 
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