Harry Potter, Secret Holes and it doesn't make any sense

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Ok, I happened to watch Harry Potter: The Chamber of Secrets yesterday from TV. I'm not gonna explain the plot, if you haven't seen it, too bad. Go watch it if you want to know I'm talking about.

So the Tom Marvolo Riddle was anagram of I am Lord Voldemort. This was shown by the teenage Voldemort in the movie. But when you think about it, it doesn't make anysense. Why would this young guy make up this kind of anagram of his name (or made up name) when nobody even knew who Lord Voldemort was at that point? It just doesn't make any sense and it looks like writer (can't remember her name now) wanted to have this cool gimmick that would surprise the reader when Tom was Lord Voldemort all along.

Have I missed something that's in the books because I haven't read them. I have just seen the movies.
 


ROIShareTeam said:
I believe it was always established that Tom was Voldemort, I think it was written in either the last book, or the book before that.
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Yeah but that's besides the point. Point was that it was like I had made "I am Micfire" anagram when I was teenager because I magically knew that I was going to be known as Micfire in the future.

It just doesn't make any sense that somebody would make that kind of anagram.

I believe a man can dream and make plan to achieve them but that's just way too far fetched :)
 
I think you've got it backwards. What the author is saying is that his real name is Tom Marvolo Riddle which later when he reinvented himself he made it into a anagram of I am Lord Voldemort.

We just happen to come into the story when he was Lord Voldemort
 
turbolapp said:
I think you've got it backwards. What the author is saying is that his real name is Tom Marvolo Riddle which later when he reinvented himself he made it into a anagram of I am Lord Voldemort.

We just happen to come into the story when he was Lord Voldemort
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That's my point. It doesn't make any sense that he would have invented his new name with the letters from his original name and then add "I am" to make use of all letters :D

Of course it could be but the logic is just stupid.

Does anybody know that was the name Tom Marvolo Riddle ever mentioned in the books before Chamber of Secrets or was he only know as Lord Voldemort before that?
 
LazyD said:
This is your biggest issue in a series of books about wizardry?
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Yup ;)

I have to confess that I like all these wizard, fairy tale movies. Harry Potter in the hands of Tim Burton would be something really special...
 
Harry Potter = [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jennings-Goes-School-Anthony-Buckeridge/dp/0755113683"]Jennings[/ame] goes witchy-poo. And it seduces the young into thinking occultism is fun. Not good.

The films are fun. Some very pretty special effects.

Perhaps ye have seen this on bash.org:

<JonJonB> Purely in the interests of science, I have replaced the word "wand" with "wang" in the first Harry Potter Book
<JonJonB> Let's see the results...

<JonJonB> "Why aren't you supposed to do magic?" asked Harry.
<JonJonB> "Oh, well -- I was at Hogwarts meself but I -- er -- got expelled, ter tell yeh the truth. In me third year. They snapped me wang in half an' everything

<JonJonB> A magic wang... this was what Harry had been really looking forward to.

<JonJonB> "Yes, yes. I thought I'd be seeing you soon. Harry Potter." It wasn't a question. "You have your mother's eyes. It seems only yesterday she was in here herself, buying her first wang. Ten and a quarter inches long, swishy, made of willow. Nice wang for charm work."
<JonJonB> "Your father, on the other hand, favored a mahogany wang. Eleven inches. "

<JonJonB> Harry took the wang. He felt a sudden warmth in his fingers. He raised the wang above his head, brought it swishing down through the dusty air and a stream of red and gold sparks shot from the end like a firework, throwing dancing spots of light on to the walls

<JonJonB> "Oh, move over," Hermione snarled. She grabbed Harry's wang, tapped the lock, and whispered, 'Alohomora!"

<JonJonB> The troll couldn't feel Harry hanging there, but even a troll will notice if you stick a long bit of wood up its nose, and Harry's wang had still been in his hand when he'd jumped - it had gone straight up one of the troll's nostrils.

<JonJonB> He bent down and pulled his wang out of the troll's nose. It was covered in what looked like lumpy gray glue.

<JonJonB> He ran onto the field as you fell, waved his wang, and you sort of slowed down before you hit the ground. Then he whirled his wang at the dementors. Shot silver stuff at them.

<JonJonB> Ok
<JonJonB> I have found, definitive proof
<JonJonB> that J.K Rowling is a dirty DIRTY woman, making a fool of us all
<JonJonB> "Yes," Harry said, gripping his wang very tightly, and moving into the middle of the deserted classroom. He tried to keep his mind on flying, but something else kept intruding.... Any second now, he might hear his mother again... but he shouldn't think that, or he would hear her again, and he didn't want to... or did he?
<melusine > O_______O
<JonJonB> Something silver-white, something enormous, erupted from the end of his wang

<JonJonJonB> Then, with a sigh, he raised his wang and prodded the silvery substance with its tip.

<JonJonJonB> 'Get - off - me!' Harry gasped. For a few seconds they struggled, Harry pulling at his uncles sausage-like fingers with his left hand, his right maintaining a firm grip on his raised wang.
 
micfire said:
That's my point. It doesn't make any sense that he would have invented his new name with the letters from his original name and then add "I am" to make use of all letters
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what about it doesn't make sense? if my real name is "kcuf" and i decide to make my alias "fuck" rather than just some random shit its not that crazy
 
tigertom said:
Harry Potter = Jennings goes witchy-poo. And it seduces the young into thinking occultism is fun. Not good.

The films are fun. Some very pretty special effects.

Perhaps ye have seen this on bash.org:

<JonJonB> Purely in the interests of science, I have replaced the word "wand" with "wang" in the first Harry Potter Book
<JonJonB> Let's see the results...

<JonJonB> "Why aren't you supposed to do magic?" asked Harry.
<JonJonB> "Oh, well -- I was at Hogwarts meself but I -- er -- got expelled, ter tell yeh the truth. In me third year. They snapped me wang in half an' everything

<JonJonB> A magic wang... this was what Harry had been really looking forward to.

<JonJonB> "Yes, yes. I thought I'd be seeing you soon. Harry Potter." It wasn't a question. "You have your mother's eyes. It seems only yesterday she was in here herself, buying her first wang. Ten and a quarter inches long, swishy, made of willow. Nice wang for charm work."
<JonJonB> "Your father, on the other hand, favored a mahogany wang. Eleven inches. "

<JonJonB> Harry took the wang. He felt a sudden warmth in his fingers. He raised the wang above his head, brought it swishing down through the dusty air and a stream of red and gold sparks shot from the end like a firework, throwing dancing spots of light on to the walls

<JonJonB> "Oh, move over," Hermione snarled. She grabbed Harry's wang, tapped the lock, and whispered, 'Alohomora!"

<JonJonB> The troll couldn't feel Harry hanging there, but even a troll will notice if you stick a long bit of wood up its nose, and Harry's wang had still been in his hand when he'd jumped - it had gone straight up one of the troll's nostrils.

<JonJonB> He bent down and pulled his wang out of the troll's nose. It was covered in what looked like lumpy gray glue.

<JonJonB> He ran onto the field as you fell, waved his wang, and you sort of slowed down before you hit the ground. Then he whirled his wang at the dementors. Shot silver stuff at them.

<JonJonB> Ok
<JonJonB> I have found, definitive proof
<JonJonB> that J.K Rowling is a dirty DIRTY woman, making a fool of us all
<JonJonB> "Yes," Harry said, gripping his wang very tightly, and moving into the middle of the deserted classroom. He tried to keep his mind on flying, but something else kept intruding.... Any second now, he might hear his mother again... but he shouldn't think that, or he would hear her again, and he didn't want to... or did he?
<melusine > O_______O
<JonJonB> Something silver-white, something enormous, erupted from the end of his wang

<JonJonJonB> Then, with a sigh, he raised his wang and prodded the silvery substance with its tip.

<JonJonJonB> 'Get - off - me!' Harry gasped. For a few seconds they struggled, Harry pulling at his uncles sausage-like fingers with his left hand, his right maintaining a firm grip on his raised wang.
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I lol'd
 
Yeah, I still don't get what you don't get :-/

Are you calling her out on the fact that she came up with Lord Voldemort before Tom Riddle? Of course she did. Most likely she had to come up with an anagram from Lord Voldemort. But that's like thinking that thinking the writers on the TV show Lost actually have it all planned out from A-Z from season one. They're just making that shit up as they go.
 
from writing her stories on napkins in a cafe in scotland to earning 3mil a week. JK Rowling doing pretty good for her self.
 
turbolapp said:
Yeah, I still don't get what you don't get :-/

Are you calling her out on the fact that she came up with Lord Voldemort before Tom Riddle? Of course she did. Most likely she had to come up with an anagram from Lord Voldemort. But that's like thinking that thinking the writers on the TV show Lost actually have it all planned out from A-Z from season one. They're just making that shit up as they go.
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Yeah.. I don't want to call her out making up stuff along the way.. of course it works like that.. That was just a funny realization I got when I was taking a dump after the movie that actually it doesn't make any sense.

If it doesn't make any sense, then it doesn't. It's just a movie :)
 
Yeah I did the same thing with the Ring. I mean why was the Mother dressed in turn of the century 1900 dresses and hairdos when the events all took place no earlier than the 1980s...I kept talking about it to everyone around me and they were all like who cares, it's a movie and I was like BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Or what about the ending to the newer planet of the apes? (with marky mark) The clock went forward but he went backwards in time, or was that he went forward and the clock went backwards? I don't remember now, but that ending annoyed me.
 
turbolapp said:
Yeah I did the same thing with the Ring. I mean why was the Mother dressed in turn of the century 1900 dresses and hairdos when the events all took place no earlier than the 1980s...I kept talking about it to everyone around me and they were all like who cares, it's a movie and I was like BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Or what about the ending to the newer planet of the apes? (with marky mark) The clock went forward but he went backwards in time, or was that he went forward and the clock went backwards? I don't remember now, but that ending annoyed me.
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Yeah, I hear you :)

I actually rarely get stuck like this with details in movies. I can usually just think that it's just a movie and go on :) But for this time this thing was "special" because it was kinda the big twist in the movie and it doesn't absolutely make any sense :)
 
Look, look, all you need to know is that Hollywood tells lies. And when it's not doing that, it's getting you to pay good money for utter tosh.

Once you take this on board, you will experience inner peace.
 
It makes sense. If this kid was called Tom Marvolo Riddle in the beginning, and then decided to invent an alter alias, he came up with I Am Lord Voldemort. So maybe that's the best he could do.

It makes sense in a logical way. The kid is named Tom Riddle, invents another phrase out of his name's letters called I Am Lord Voldemort. Nothing complex bout it.
 
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