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HarveyJ
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I can understand why people get upset about GM when they don't understand it. Anything you don't understand is upsetting.
But unless the vegetable product is being spliced with animal genes, it's something that could have been done over a decade or two via selective breeding, splicing and grafting.
Doing it in a lab simply speeds the process up.
When there are animal genes in vegetables, or vice versa, I can understand religious folks getting upset. i.e. the Tomatoes that have pig genes for frost resistance. Jews, Muslims and uber-vegetarians can't eat those.
But it's not like they're any more likely or able to cause cancer, or in any way damage people, than the agricultural products they're already derived from.
We'd have some evidence of it by now if they did, because lab created food crops have been around since the 70s.
But unless the vegetable product is being spliced with animal genes, it's something that could have been done over a decade or two via selective breeding, splicing and grafting.
Doing it in a lab simply speeds the process up.
When there are animal genes in vegetables, or vice versa, I can understand religious folks getting upset. i.e. the Tomatoes that have pig genes for frost resistance. Jews, Muslims and uber-vegetarians can't eat those.
But it's not like they're any more likely or able to cause cancer, or in any way damage people, than the agricultural products they're already derived from.
We'd have some evidence of it by now if they did, because lab created food crops have been around since the 70s.
Oh, I believe everything I read on the internet don't you?
But seriously, tests done on mice that were feed GM food showed enlarged livers and kidneys and I'm not sure but I think also some cancers, not only that it's not really that well known if GM food is either good or bad for you because of the lack of study that's gone... not gone? into it.
But seriously, tests done on mice that were feed GM food showed enlarged livers and kidneys and I'm not sure but I think also some cancers, not only that it's not really that well known if GM food is either good or bad for you because of the lack of study that's gone... not gone? into it.
The FDA has no problem with it, all of the articles referenced on Wikipedia say there is no health problem. If there is an understood danger to genetically modified food (and Wikipedia is 'lying to me') show me the counterarguments.
I'm sorry, but I trust the 20+ cited Wikipedia sources more than a politically charged documentary.
Don't be sorry...it's your body. Also, that "politically charged documentary" is backed by many credible sources, they're more than likely on the internet as well. I'd be curious who funded the 20+ experiments or papers that you're referring to, surely not the companies that are pushing these products.
All I'm saying is that there is a direct relationship between the changes in the food we eat, the diets we lead, and the increased amounts of cancer and heart disease in this country. Most of the foods you eat have been fed with, fertilized with, or exposed to various chemicals, chemicals and modifications that are not necessarily good for you.
But I digress, believe what you want to. I'll keep eating natural and you do whatever...good luck
Cool. Don't by much canned or packaged stuff as it, but this will help with what is purchased. Eating and living better is shown to keep health costs down. Healthier eating, eco and green goods and services are growing niches too. +rep
Not picking on you, but wanted to point out that this is a logical fallacy. Negative proof. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence.
The only way that could be true, would be if you had perfect knowledge.
I live in Amish country (really) and buy my food from a local coop and even they have trouble buying seed and feed that isn't modified - this shit is everywhere. I can not prove it right now, but I believe it is probably a big part of America's health problems (along with a lack of exercise and too damn many pills, of course).
"unless the vegetable product is being spliced with animal genes" - most of our vegetables are being spliced with animal genes and most of the meat products are adultrated with so many hormones and chemicals as to be even farther from wild stock - Chickens for example don't naturally have breasts like porn stars and strawberries aren't supposed to be bigger than apples of twenty years ago.
America is basically classified as a developing nation as far as our population's general health, while we are spending more per capita than anyone. Sticks is making a valid point here.
"unless the vegetable product is being spliced with animal genes" - most of our vegetables are being spliced with animal genes and most of the meat products are adultrated with so many hormones and chemicals as to be even farther from wild stock - Chickens for example don't naturally have breasts like porn stars and strawberries aren't supposed to be bigger than apples of twenty years ago.
America is basically classified as a developing nation as far as our population's general health, while we are spending more per capita than anyone. Sticks is making a valid point here.
GM corn:
South African GMO Crop Failure Highlights Dangers of Food Supply Domination
GM corn:
S/R 33: Failure of GMOs in India (Vandana Shiva and Afsar Jafri)
GM cotton:
loss of life:
1,500 Indian Farmers Commit Mass Suicide: Why We Are Complicit in these Deaths | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet
Vandana Shiva: From Seeds of Suicide to Seeds of Hope: Why Are Indian Farmers Committing Suicide and How Can We Stop This Tragedy?
health (unknowns in nutrient assimilation) and morality (control of all food production) arguments aside -- when there's nothing to eat, that's the danger.
and when these failing crops inevitably crossbreed with natural stock, that's extremely dangerous.
I've always had high hopes for GM, and no doubt once we get it right it will be an awesome contribution to humanity. but the means to the ends may cost too much to justify developing GM science through organizations who have had no problems with repeatedly setting morality and human decency aside in the pursuit of profit.
wikipedia? really? that shit can be written by anyone and the articles about famous people and/or people with lots of money tend to be controlled by their lawyers and are watched daily. there's actually companies out there that specialize in character protection on the internet.
on the other hand, i've been researching Monsanto for almost a decade now and have learned a hell of a lot about their unethical practices. they are the epitomy of the dark side of monopoly capitalism. they have way more power and money than you, have been around longer than you, and don't give a two shits whether you live a happy life, just that you give them money or get the fuck out of their way. in fact, so much has been done to discredit them that I believe they've changed their name at this point.
HarveyJ
He is - THE CACTUS!
sticks: When I'm reading it on sites like newscientist.com, I tend to, yes.
Nevele: All bad things directly due to GM crops... but nothing about actually being unhealthy for the human body
guerrilla: OK, I didn't explain myself clearly then. What I was trying to convey was that in the 40 year history of having lab developed genetically modified agricultural produce on the market, I have yet to see a study that has a positive and direct correlation between increased consumption of GMO foods and human diseases in crops that are used on the commercial agricultural market that is intended for human consumption.
Therefore it is unlikely, in a statistic manner of speaking, that there is a direct correlation between the two as we'd otherwise have had empirical observations that point it out and published in a peer reviewed journal.
And again, while I'm no scientician (thank you, Troy McClure!), I have been an avid reader of Scientific American, New Scientist, and a couple other journals for over a decade.
Nevele: All bad things directly due to GM crops... but nothing about actually being unhealthy for the human body
guerrilla: OK, I didn't explain myself clearly then. What I was trying to convey was that in the 40 year history of having lab developed genetically modified agricultural produce on the market, I have yet to see a study that has a positive and direct correlation between increased consumption of GMO foods and human diseases in crops that are used on the commercial agricultural market that is intended for human consumption.
Therefore it is unlikely, in a statistic manner of speaking, that there is a direct correlation between the two as we'd otherwise have had empirical observations that point it out and published in a peer reviewed journal.
And again, while I'm no scientician (thank you, Troy McClure!), I have been an avid reader of Scientific American, New Scientist, and a couple other journals for over a decade.
Things that make me go Hmm.... lol
If they genetically modified an Opiate Poppy plant and a Marijuana plant and then cross pollinated them, would the use of such a plant still be legal in Alaska so long as the GM Hybrid was at least 51% Marijuana?
Just ask'n. Lulz
If they genetically modified an Opiate Poppy plant and a Marijuana plant and then cross pollinated them, would the use of such a plant still be legal in Alaska so long as the GM Hybrid was at least 51% Marijuana?
Just ask'n. Lulz