Ebay is threatening legal action against me - Advice needed.

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I recently purchased a domain, ebaysellingtips.org and planned to make a site that featured tips on how to make money on ebay.



Today I got an email from their legal department:

We are writing concerning your registration of ebaysellingtips.org which contains the famous eBay trademark.

As you undoubtedly know, eBay is the leading provider of online person-to-person trading services and related goods and services. eBay adopted the name and trademark eBay in September 1995 and, since that time, eBay has actively used the eBay name and trademark in connection with its online trading and related services, including maintaining the web site www.eBay.com. The coined term eBay is one of the most famous trademarks on the Internet. eBay owns exclusive trademark rights to the eBay name in the United States and internationally, including related common law rights. Accordingly, eBay enjoys broad trademark rights in its name.

eBay has made a substantial investment in developing and providing its services. As a result of eBay’s pioneering efforts and its devoting substantial effort and resources to providing only high quality services, the eBay name and trademarks are widely known among the consuming public worldwide, and the name and trademarks embody substantial and valuable goodwill.

Accordingly, we were concerned when we learned of your registration of the ebaysellingtips.org. As we hope you can understand, protection of its trademarks is very important to eBay. We have filed several successful federal court actions in the United States against companies and individuals employing the famous eBay trademark in their domain names, as well as more than six proceedings before the United Nation's World Intellectual Property Organization's arbitration panel. eBay prevailed in each case and the domain names at issue were all ordered to be transferred to eBay.

In addition to the above, the United States Patent and Trademark Office ("USPTO") has recently denied registration of the mark "ebaysecurities" by a third party. Like your domain name, "ebaysecurities" incorporated the entire eBay trademark, adding only a generic term to eBay's famous mark. The USPTO recognized that eBay is a famous trademark and denied registration of ebaysecurities. eBay is concerned that any use of the domain name in question, will cause confusion as to whether you or your company’s activities are authorized, endorsed or sponsored by eBay when, in fact, they are not.

We understand that you may have registered ebaysellingtips.org without full knowledge of the law in this area. The Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act provides for serious penalties (up to $100,000 per domain name) against persons who, without authorization, use, sell, or offer for sale a domain name that infringes another’s trademark.

While eBay respects your right of expression and your desire to conduct business on the Internet, eBay must enforce its own rights in order to protect its valuable and famous trademark. For these reasons, and to avoid consumer confusion, eBay must insist that you not use the domain name for any purpose, do not sell, offer to sell or transfer the domain name to a third party, and instead simply let the domain registration expire.

Please confirm in writing that you will agree to resolve this matter as requested. If we do not receive confirmation from you that you will comply with our request, we will have no choice but to pursue all available remedies against you.

Sincerely,

Edith
eBay Legal Department


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If I recall correctly, paypalsucks.com won against paypal because their site was protected free-speech. Would a site like mine be protected as well? Also, what if the site was critical of ebay? Would that help my case? I originally planned to write a bit about how I disliked their fee increases along with the other content.

Thank you in advance for your help.
 


I bet you are going to lose the domain. Since it is not a site, but a future wannabe project, forget about it and get another domain name ffs.

And the next time you want to trademark infringe on a company name, do it for businesses whose online presence is not their soul and essence. Go for Pampers™
 
Here, I did some brainstorming to help you out.

Pampers™ related sites:

pamper-s-the-shit.com (fan site, complete with blogs, member profiles and forum)
pampers-stink.com (review site)
pampers-not-just-for-babies.com (online store for old people with diarrhea)
on-your-ass.com (this one does not actually infringe trademarks)
pamper-me-pamper-you.com (dating offers)
poop-a-doo.com (baby centered search engine)
 
Okay here is the final answer: Comply with their request!

Anyone claiming you can fight this or ignore this C&D is clueless on legal domain issues.
 
Just a note:
This is happens every time you register any domain that has ebay together, for example if you go register bythebay.com (assuming it were available) you'll still get the C&D, they monitor the whois registry.

I would suggest touching base with them first, explaining what you plan to do. If they still want the domain, ask them to reimburse your reg costs + time spent in good faith.

Good luck.
 
If I recall correctly, paypalsucks.com won against paypal because their site was protected free-speech. Would a site like mine be protected as well? Also, what if the site was critical of ebay? Would that help my case? I originally planned to write a bit about how I disliked their fee increases along with the other content.

Thank you in advance for your help.
Spend a couple million to fight them and find out. :rolleyes:
Amazon is the same way. Just lose the domain and move on.
 
Register OnEbay.info or OnEbay.tv and pretend you intended it as OneBay.info or OneBay.tv and move your site over there. Just put a picture of a bay at the top or something. Haha.
 
If you have no project / site up there yet, loose the domain and move on.

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Ask them to at least send you a snail mail letter so you can verify it's legit. And let them know you are just protecting yourself and will be happy to turn over the domain to the real eBay and not just some schlub that can spoof an email header.
 
You got nothing to worry about. I got a few of these. Make it so the domain points nowhere and turn off auto-renew.
 
Ask them to at least send you a snail mail letter so you can verify it's legit. And let them know you are just protecting yourself and will be happy to turn over the domain to the real eBay and not just some schlub that can spoof an email header.

Agreed - at least then you'll have something to frame and put on your wall.
 
You got nothing to worry about. I got a few of these. Make it so the domain points nowhere and turn off auto-renew.

Question:
Why do you think he has nothing to worry about?
Just because... you... didn't receive any C&D letter(s) for your TM infringing domains?

Pointing your domain to nowhere, thus a blank page for instance is what you do when you want to avoid ads appearing on your parked generic domain that are strongly related to the service/product of a company/entity that is holding a trademark on their company name.

For instance Apple.com - you don't want to park that domain like just any other, because you might have a chance Apple computer related ads will appear and then you're putting your domain at risk.

Your posting really bad advice here by suggesting to ignore the C&D and thinking that just because you didn't (yet) receive any C&D letters it doesn't mean anything.

Seriously, in this case you don't want to be made an example of by eBay - try to ignore them and you'll be paying a pile of money in fines.

Keep that in mind when you'll receive your C&D letter(s)...
 
I'm with the others. Tell them you won't do anything until you have your lawyers review the OFFICIAL C&D.

And if/when you actually get one, just give it up and move on.
 
An email is an official C&D though.
It's best to check out the contact details given in the letter and verify that by getting in touch with eBay directly.

Ebay: 888-749-3229

Ask for the Legal Affairs department and then ask for the contact name of the lawyer in the C&D letter to verify the origin and discuss further actions.

You'll have a much better chance to get your domain fee reimbursed as well then, as opposed to send a request for a C&D letter by snail mail (Which they are not obligated to do so) and then have a lawyer of your own to review the letter.

That's making things unnecessarily complicated and it's going to cost you money for hiring a lawyer that would be happy to take your money for the hell of it.

The domain is TM infringing and a lost cause, don't make unnecessary expenses and don't make a big deal out of it...
 
But Edwin, is the domain actually copyright infringement? The existence of the word ebay in a domain name (or any other trademark) does not automatically make for an act of infringement, and large companies like eBay are just rolling over independent businesspeople with this kind of thing. It's bullshit. There are 15,000+ books at Amazon.com right now with the word eBay in the title -- none are paying any royalties to eBay, and no publishers are being run out of business over the matter.

I get these things from time to time, and have never just given up a domain name in the process -- some have ultimately been left alone, some have been purchased for a reasonable price by the copyright holder, etc. I have never in about a dozen instances simply had to walk away from a domain name and hope to get my $9 back out of the process.


Frank
 
Did anyone really read this guy's post?

Clearly he was going to make some type of get rich quick site for ebay.

Fuck him!

Drop the domain and let them have it. Pick another topic to scam with loser.
 
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