Domainer Arbitrage Still Banks Hard!

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PPC Arbitrage with domainer parking services and Yahoo/Google domainer feeds are still alive and kicking in spite of what everyone is reporting or saying.

But when news like this breaks, I always think of the saying "things aren't always as they appear", and this is a classic example.

I can assure you, Yahoo has not stopped arbitrage. They may have cut off a few of their majority traffic arbitrage partners, but there weren't all that many to begin with, not to mention, most of them fell under their standard feed anyhow, so it's not a big deal. Yahoo's standard feed is actually the one they dub as the premium feed that you can apply for on their YSM corporate site. You know, the minimum 20 million impressions and 2 million searches per month deal. Well, the payout isn't all that great, so don't even bother applying unless you have a good biz connection on the inside or you have a pal that has a parking service or good street cred that can get you hooked up.

The guys who have the premium (the real premium feed pays out in the 70% zone. Most tier 2 engines and the larger domain parking companies) and suped up premium feed (I just call it this because they don't have a real name for it. It pays out in the 80%-90% zone. Companies like Verisign, Ask, etc.) all filter the shit out of their traffic to begin with, so arbitraged or not, Yahoo has always had a pretty damn high grade of traffic from these guys, and the news didn't really effect them or their earnings all that much.

Of course it's WAY more profitable to be a premium and suped up feed owner, but you can still do full scale ppc arbitrage with most of the domain parking places, just so long as you clean up the sources and route them correctly. Also, instead of being lazy about it, I'd recommend you pay some attention to filtering out bots, proxies, and geo-ip bans from the typical shitty countries. You can automate all of this through a script or two, and by going this route, you can continue your arbitraging operations as it was before, hell, you'd probably make more than before too.

The absolute dumbest thing though is for anyone to buy from a Tier 1 (AdWords, Adsense, MSN, YPN/YSM) nowadays and arbitrage it through any parking service, because then you're just asking to get kicked. Just because the Tier 1's have some crazy fucking tracking setup, so they know a hell of a lot more about it's origin than you think. Arbitraging from Tier 1's can also get costly, but on top of that, it's kind of like a slap in their face when you buy from their content network and sorta sell it back to them.

Overall, stay as far off the radar as you can. You want to come off as squeaky clean as possible. Don't just target mesothelioma or pharma. Spread out the traffic sources and niches. Don't ONLY send US/Canada, mix it up and send at least 10% UK, DE, AUS, FR, etc. If you find a reeeeally cheap traffic source that has shady ways of delivering traffic (spyware/adware, email spam, botnets) it's probably a good idea to stay the hell away in the first place. Lastly, show the parking companies that you use ClickFraud tracking of some sort, and they'll not just accept you and your traffic, but they'll probably give you a bump up in revenue points.

Since we do this ourselves, and we don't want to kill this revenue stream I kept everything fairly general. But I would also suggest that if you do this stuff on your own, keep your mouth shut on other forums and blogs, because "loose lips sink ships" if ya catch my drift.
 


how much are you sumbitches making with domain arbi?

i got a bunch of domains and im wondering if its worth the time investment to set it up
 
The absolute dumbest thing though is for anyone to buy from a Tier 1 (AdWords, Adsense, MSN, YPN/YSM) nowadays and arbitrage it through any parking service, because then you're just asking to get kicked. Just because the Tier 1's have some crazy fucking tracking setup, so they know a hell of a lot more about it's origin than you think.

aside from the slap in the face and the costs, i'm with a smaller parking company that allows arbi but only from msn and yahoo, they specifically asked for tier 1 traffic and not yahoo because that was the primary feed. After talking to some people on that network supposedly making good bank is still doable, but i guess its just tougher?

i used to be with parked but had my account banned for arbi'ing with iframes only to see that on namepros, they publically allowed other domains to use it :(
 
aside from the slap in the face and the costs, i'm with a smaller parking company that allows arbi but only from msn and yahoo, they specifically asked for tier 1 traffic and not yahoo because that was the primary feed. After talking to some people on that network supposedly making good bank is still doable, but i guess its just tougher?

i used to be with parked but had my account banned for arbi'ing with iframes only to see that on namepros, they publically allowed other domains to use it :(

It's not as tough as say.. affiliate marketing via ppc, if you think that's a tough field. It's just getting a bit tougher, not leaps and bounds tougher, but that happens with every industry or easy/cheap ROI program or scheme. Things evolve naturally, and will always get a bit tougher every so often, but like all industries, it ends up being more about how much you have and who you know rather than how easy or cheap things will ultimately last for. Also, when something becomes more and more populated, it attracts scammy folks, which unfortunately for the rest of us, tightens security and rules industry-wide. But, it's still perfectly do-able and VERY lucrative.

Barman - Don't be a pussy. You know you are going to test the waters!

A tip for all of you though... whether you're primarily into domaining for arbitrage purposes, domaining for flipping purposes, or domaining for the longterm investment and developing game, make sure you diversify at least a small portion of your domain assets to each sector.

I, personally, have been domaining primarily for making bank off of parked/feed revenue driven domains. But lately, I've been doing lots of research and getting more into flipping. Development and longterm investing has been something I've done by default for many years, and I am just sick of it. It takes too long for me, and almost always requires some type of extra cash on hand investment into developing it, building the traffic and sometimes branding, and having it mature, only to have me get bored with it, and either sell it off or let it die out (I don't like this, but it happens).

Making money with domains is child's play. It doesn't matter how much or little you have to start with, well, maybe it matters because you need at least $10 for that first domain buy, but I hear about people making way more than I ever have from their first cheap as shit domain buy and then either developing it, flipping it, or by some chance stumbling onto a high traffic and high cpc paying domain. Yeah, I'm jealous as hell when these flukes happen, but I'm also glad they still happen because I consider myself unsuccessful in domaining until I'm able to discipline myself enough to buy a few great domains for $6-$7 and flip them for tens of thousands in as little time as possible.

So.. to each their own, just like with everything else.

Do your research. Make your own educated guesses or decisions, and take a chance. Consider that the worst case scenario, you'll have to park it and click the damn feed links yourself (shady, I know, but I actually still do it with certain parking companies just to see what their level of security is, and 99.9% of the time so far, they not only do nothing about it and say nothing to me about it, but they pay me and I recoup the cost of that domain for the year). Although, I wouldn't advise it as a way to make yourself som cash, but I think it's a pretty fascinating way to prove that all this talk about clickfraud and feeds going anti-arbitrage exist, and yet, clicking your own damn feed links on your domain, without proxies, can still get you paid enough to recoup the $6 or $7 you spent on the domain in the first place. Amazing!
 
Incase you pull out a dumbass move like i did and get banned from name drive, hahahahahah just update the dns and move to another parking company. :) . I love parked.com. There are so many options, you can move around so easily, yummy.
 
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