"Federal judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law"

I'm sure this will ed up being 10 fucking pages of retarded banter, but could someone explain what is so redneck about the law? Please try and intelligently justify your answer.

read Rules For Radicals.

Anyone that disagrees with the socialist message is to be labeled a racist, stupid, backward etc.

After being called a racist or redneck a weaker mind would shut up and go about their business. No one wants to be called a racist, a redneck and will remove themselves from the discussion to keep from being labeled so. That is how the left stifles ANY other opinion besides their own.
 
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Racial profiling, harassment and discrimination isn't going to solve the problem.

Good thing none of that is found in the Arizona "We'll take care of the borders while the Obama Administration panders to minorities" immigration law.

The immigration system is not nearly as simplistic as you imagine. It's not all about criminal illegals and people who jump the fence illegally. Many people came here legally but got fucked by the system. Others came here as children and are illegal. Many people came because they couldn't wait 20 years for our Kafkaesque bureaucracy to get rid of its backlogs so that husbands could see their wives and kids.

I have foreign inlaws and I've seen how crazy the immigration system is in this country and the drama they've been through. It's unreal. Crimes are committed for which there are no laws to protect the victims. Millions of dollars of taxes are being pumped into organizations that have nothing to show for it.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Our current path to legal immigration may be slow, but it is still the law. Just because it doesn't suit them doesn't mean they can just circumvent it. Besides, we can't just open to flood gates and give citizenship to whoever wants it. There needs to be limits to everything. Yeah, not fair, nothing is. I'm tired of this constant victimization of people who broke the law.
 
Yeah, because it's entirely redneck to verify if whether or not immigrants are here legally. It's redneck to want illegal immigrants to pay taxes. sigh.

Make up your minds people, do you want the brownies out or do you want them to pay taxes? I only say brownies because if they were whities then obviously they wouldn't be stopped by the cops so don't worry, it's a legit statement.
 
Make up your minds people, do you want the brownies out or do you want them to pay taxes? I only say brownies because if they were whities then obviously they wouldn't be stopped by the cops so don't worry, it's a legit statement.

Lets be realistic, we're talking about a state like Arizona which is heavily occupied by illegal mexican immigrants who happen to be "brownies" - What is the travesty in an inquiry about their citizenship status during an unrelated / routine stop?

Sure, you could say this opens the door for "redneck cops" to abuse this power by harassing anyone on the basis of skin color. You're right, it does. But we have many laws in place that open the door for all sorts of shit to take place by bad cops, does that mean we shouldn't have those laws as well?

This wouldn't even be necessary if the government fixed the immigration system. So perhaps this quote hits the nail on the head..

One positive result could be that enactment of the law, and its aftermath, will finally galvanize Congress to overhaul the nation's dysfunctional immigration system.

Editorial, 5/12: Fix immigration at federal level
 
Lets be realistic, we're talking about a state like Arizona which is heavily occupied by illegal mexican immigrants who happen to be "brownies" ...

And this is called racial profiling.



Food for thought..

Wouldn't this "racial profiling" have been better justified after 9/11 with the arabs? (no racism intended)

Just sayin...
 
Wouldn't this "racial profiling" have been better justified after 9/11 with the arabs? (no racism intended)

Certainly. I see nothing wrong in either case if someone is being stopped during a routine circumstance to provide proof of citizenship. Honestly it'd be great if they made it mandatory for *everyone*, that way we don't have those out there screaming racism. If I'm bothered by the hassle of proving I'm a citizen to ensure those that aren't get caught, I'm for it.
 
Good thing none of that is found in the Arizona "We'll take care of the borders while the Obama Administration panders to minorities" immigration law.

Word. Not defining reasonable suspicion and leaving it up to agencies and individuals to define on a case by case basis ensures nothing illegal takes place, right?

Watch what happens to the US Citizen in this video.

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Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Our current path to legal immigration may be slow, but it is still the law. Just because it doesn't suit them doesn't mean they can just circumvent it. Besides, we can't just open to flood gates and give citizenship to whoever wants it. There needs to be limits to everything. Yeah, not fair, nothing is. I'm tired of this constant victimization of people who broke the law.

First of all, immigration is federal jurisdiction not state. If every state has their own set of laws, things will fuck up beyond measure.

About laws, people will only follow the law as long as it's not painful. The moment your family's hungry and you got no way to feed them legally, you will break the law. Brute fact.

Our job is to protect the border and enforce the law. But we wouldn't completely secure the border even if we had Optimus Prime working for USCIS. Logistics make it impossible. 50 foot high wall < 51 foot ladder.

We gotta work on the problem at home. Illegals come here because
1) We buy their dope.
2) We give them work.

Once we stop buying their dope and giving them work, they will stop coming. Simple as that.

But there are other problems. Rampant fraud and extortion committed by American citizens against immigrants due to loopholes in the law. Families separated for 20 years because of immigration backlogs and systemic inefficiency. Lack of a guest worker program for agriculture.

The only response to this is Arizona's piece of shit bill?

I'll tell you what. Republicans are making a noise about the illegal crime-wave sweeping Arizona. But it doesn't exist. AZDPS, the FBI and the Bureau of Justice all show crime rates in Arizona have been going down. Violent crime rates and property crime rates.

So what the fuck are people making a noise for?

It's politics. Arizona is full of old white people who are scared and worried by all these funny, different looking people who don't wear shirts with American flags on them and don't eat hotdogs on 4th of July. If you promise them you'll keep these scary foreign-looking criminals away, they'll vote for you. They got nothing better to do anyway, they're retired.

If the Republicans stopped stalling and sorted something out in Congress we would actually be in a better place right now. Thing is, they're shit scared of all the voters who want to punish illegals regardless of the situation.

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She's studying and working her ass off to be a nurse while American girls are getting whored out, knocked up and picking up welfare checks.

Then again, why should we care. They're just dirty Mexicans, right?
 
Fuck laws right guys?

Anyone should be able to do whatever they want.

Why do we even have borders?

I say we do away with the entire concept of a Constitution and frame a giant fucking Benetton poster and hang it in the House of Representatives.

"Fuck Laws" sounds like the sentiment of people like Joe Arpaio and a lot of other disgusting anti-American criminals in Arizona ( and elsewhere). None of those fucks respect the Constitution either.

Whether "anyone should be able to do what they want".. I don't know but I sure as hell don't believe The State should do whatever it wants. The Constitution was a document LIMITING the federal government and recognizing the innate freedoms of individuals. While that leaves many powers to the individual states, those who believe in the "spirit" of the ideas behind things like the Constitution generally oppose fascism on the state level as well.
 
Good thing none of that is found in the Arizona "We'll take care of the borders while the Obama Administration panders to minorities" immigration law.



Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Our current path to legal immigration may be slow, but it is still the law. Just because it doesn't suit them doesn't mean they can just circumvent it. Besides, we can't just open to flood gates and give citizenship to whoever wants it. There needs to be limits to everything. Yeah, not fair, nothing is. I'm tired of this constant victimization of people who broke the law.

I would have a lot more respect for "law and order" types who say things like "it's still the law" if they ( not you specifically, just in general) ever made a peep about the millions of criminals in government who operate under the "color of law." If it were genuine, people like Joe Arpaio and other criminal government employees would not only not be fucking ELECTED to their positions, but would be rotting in a cell somewhere. Or perhaps a pink tent. People like that cause more real harm to U.S. citizens on a regular basis than any illegal aliens.
 
Whats wrong with making an ethnic group carry papers? The Nazis did it and that turned out ........ Oh wait.
 
Certainly. I see nothing wrong in either case if someone is being stopped during a routine circumstance to provide proof of citizenship. Honestly it'd be great if they made it mandatory for *everyone*, that way we don't have those out there screaming racism. If I'm bothered by the hassle of proving I'm a citizen to ensure those that aren't get caught, I'm for it.


Good idea.
 
We gotta work on the problem at home. Illegals come here because
1) We buy their dope.
2) We give them work.

Once we stop buying their dope and giving them work, they will stop coming. Simple as that.

It's not as simple as that.

1. Mexicans in particular are educated to believe that the Southwest is their land, it was stolen from them, and they deserve it back. Some believe it, some don't. Whatever your opinion on it may be, many of the younger generations of Mexican immigrants to America have at least an implicit loathing toward America as a country and some are actively on a mission to 'reclaim what's theirs.' Read up on 'la reconquista' and if you know Spanish, get into some of the Spanish forums on the subject and see what's being said. But that's not really the point. The point is that the money and power behind this indoctrination is for the most part the same money and power - Wall Street and the Fortune 500 - pushing to keep the borders open, mostly for reasons of industry and racial division.

American presidents keeping our borders open, Mexican presidents crying racism about closing the border, these people are sock puppets for the billionaires that got them into office. Big business doesn't like national boundaries and does pretty much whatever it can to eliminate these kinds of limitations.

2. Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Top ten on the billionaire countries list, police state extortion, huge divide between rich and poor, etc. I'd probably want to leave too if I lived there, though the better solution might be to stay and try to fix your own country rather than assimilate into another.

Any good historian will tell you that there is a direct link between massive influxes of foreign populations and the decline of empires/dynasties/whatever you call them. Not minor influxes but huge numbers in a short period of time. There are somewhere between 10 and 30 million illegal immigrants in America at the moment, most of which have come in the last quarter century. That's getting up on ten percent, and that is a lot.

I think the US admits half a million and a million legal immigrants every year. That's a lot by itself and for me that's enough. If people want to immigrate, I think they should get in line, pass the test, and come aboard. It's true our bureaucracy is stupid slow but it could be worse. The wait into Canada is something like three years now. We're faster than many other countries.
 
Brownies out. Blacks out. Whites stay. Redskins, ok you can stay.. IN YOUR RESERVATION! East asians, you can stay, but only if you are hot.
 
Fuck yeah. Sick of all the racism and xenophobia in the US.

Politicians who use racism for votes are scum.


Hey fuck face, you do realize that this has nothing to do with racism, right? You realize LEGAL MINORITY IMMIGRANTS also hate illegal immigration, right? One of my best friends is a fucking Mexican, a real Mexican too, dude has like 50 kids....one of the nicest people I have ever met, love the guy. Has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the fact that the millions of illegals are changing our country drastically and for the worse. Fucking place is turning into a 3rd world country and all you can do is babble about racism, fuck you.
 
Glad I didn't vote for McCain. Arizona is a preview of what he had in mind.

You do know McCain and Kennedy drafted and sponsored the first immigration bill during the Bush years which was 100% amnesty right? Those of you who are trying to make this a political issue are fooling yourself, it doesn't matter which party is in power, both would move forward with a path for legalization they just try and put different terms on the process to appease the base. Reagan did it, Bush tried it, and Obama is considering it and if McCain was president I'm sure he would be as well.

And for those of you who are asking for the government to step in and get a handle of the situation, be aware that it is a double edged sword. Their idea of getting a control of things is providing amnesty, ramping up the war on drugs, and then redirecting troops from the middle east to the border. Then of course they take charge of "prevention" as well, the most likely route is the one hatched in the Bush administration and being drafted in the current immigration bills by the Obama administration: a national ID and tamper-proof RFID chips in social security cards. Both which will probably be required for getting a job, filing taxes, boarding flights, accessing government buildings, obtaining firearms, and other things where there is government involvement such as health care. In short, more government, more problems.
 
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As a democrat, I was only ok with mislabeling all of the republican party/tea partiers racist homophobes (or whatever it takes) in order to get the healthcare bill passed.

I completely support the federal government telling arizona to go fuck itself over this racist law, but I don't think all republicans are racist.