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cv735

cv735

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i've been in the web industry for so long...affiliate marketing for a few years. i just don't know what gives? why is it that some people just get the lucky breaks and they bank ...but others like myself, work in front of computer day and nite, daily and just break even every month.

no matter if it's building sites, working on seo or affiliate marketing...i'm not rich. i don't bank 6 figures. wtf gives? why do assholes get the break, land a shitty sales job and make 3 times what i do? wtf is wrong with this country right now?

we live in the land of opportunity yet, we get reemed by the government, fucking meter officers ticketing you for being 1 minute past the limit. everything in our world is set up to fuck you in the ass and you have to either be extremely lucky to know the right people at the right time or you're fucked.

this is what i don't get. i've been doing this for too long to see lots of peeps make tons of cash, come and go and here i am, making risks from time to time but failing. how the fuck am i going to make 6 figures being a web developer, seo freak and an affiliate marketer which is the most bogus way of making a living.

i know there are some successful people in here...but i know the vast majority don't make shit.

personally i think this country is fucked and we're all just scraping and suffering to just make ends meet. if i can go back in the day and realize what life was really about (money, family etc) then i wouldn't have surfed 3 times a day and quit college. but i've done enough to support my son and be able to live. but there's more to it...why just work for a check and pay the bills and just have enough for a weekend trip? i want to travel, have enough money for a house, go anywhere i want, do whatever and whenever i want. what the fuck gives?
 


in regards to me dropping out of college...i have so many friends with degrees and nowhere near that field of profession now. it's like they wasted that time and money in school and nothing to show for it. not discounting school all together but just goes back to how our society, this country is set up for people to fail
 
Not everyone here bank 6 figures (I hope it's even per year, not month lol) in few years. Sometimes it takes longer
 
cv735 said:
in regards to me dropping out of college...i have so many friends with degrees and nowhere near that field of profession now. it's like they wasted that time and money in school and nothing to show for it.
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But would they have that job, in that totally irrelevant field, if they didn't have a college degree? If they just had a HS diploma?

You can either complain about how unfair the world is, fight the "establishment", go on long rants on forums, or strive to get to where others are who may or may not be more privileged than you.

And you can only get there by trying and failing, continuing to work hard, and expanding your mind by reading useful marketing books you can apply to your business.

Your call, bro.
 
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about 6% of Americans make over 100k a year.

This means you must out hustle, out work, and be more skillfull than 95% of America... it aint easy.

Sitting in front of your comp all day grinding un-fortunatley does not make you a good marketer. It takes a good understanding of psychology, society, trends, and useful optimization.

The first acai blog didnt bank off cause the guy 'got lucky' it was a genius marketing ploy that worked(too well lol). The guys who copied him and made 100k + didnt 'get lucky' either. They saw something that looked like a large scale highly scalable campaign that they could leach off of and then out optimize on. Now the guy that set up 20 campaigns spent 2 weeks grinding 12 hours a day and only pulled in 10-20k and the campaign peetered off or didn't convert as well and went negative, they aren't 'unlucky' they just don't have the same caliber of marketing skills plain and simple.

To a real marketer there is no such thing as luck, only calculated risks with amazing outcomes.
 
FTC-Hater said:
But would they have that job, in that totally irrelevant field, if they didn't have a college degree? If they just had a HS diploma?

You can either complain about how unfair the world is, fight the "establishment", go on long rants on forums, or strive to get to where others are who may or may not be more privileged than you.

And you can only get there by trying and failing, continuing to work hard, and expanding your mind by reading useful marketing books you can apply to your business.

Your call, bro.
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i hear what your saying ftc-hater...but...that doesn't mean everyone that tries will get there. thus, my rant about the way things are set up in this country, it's out to fuck us over. try or no try
 
Brah, if you're working this hard and not making progress, you're obviously doing something wrong.

Sit down for an hour and think about what you're doing, and why it's not working. In short, analyze your business and find out what you're doing wrong. As others said above, people who bank, bank because they know what they're doing and have worked not just hard, but smart over extended periods of time. It sounds like you have the work ethic, but you just need to figure out what you're doing wrong in order to move forward as soon as possible.
 
kaveman said:
Sitting in front of your comp all day grinding un-fortunatley does not make you a good marketer. It takes a good understanding of psychology, society, trends, and useful optimization.
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This. If you have such extensive "web industry" experience and have been doing AM for a few years + grinding 12 hour days every day then I'm afraid the problem is most likely you. Having web experience/design is a huge advantage over most AMers, but if you can't sniff out the opportunities, know how to test and optimize (and know when to walk away), or even write copy, then there is only one answer and that's you bud.

Sorry for the tough love but you have all those "qualities" and can't make any money off AM after 3+ years is pure fail IMO. Don't hate the game and start blaming how your country is fucked without looking in the mirror first. Time to re-assess your game plan and take all those failures and turn it into something positive.
 
onlinemoniez said:
Brah, if you're working this hard and not making progress, you're obviously doing something wrong.

Sit down for an hour and think about what you're doing, and why it's not working. In short, analyze your business and find out what you're doing wrong. As others said above, people who bank, bank because they know what they're doing and have worked not just hard, but smart over extended periods of time. It sounds like you have the work ethic, but you just need to figure out what you're doing wrong in order to move forward as soon as possible.
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thanks..ur right...have been brainstorming for the past few weeks. went on a surf trip, surfed my brains out, came back and just realized this isn't where i want to be...
 
cv735 said:
i hear what your saying ftc-hater...but...that doesn't mean everyone that tries will get there. thus, my rant about the way things are set up in this country, it's out to fuck us over. try or no try
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It's out to fuck those who give up. Not those who keep trying progressively.

...You're surrounded with people who make insane amounts of money online at this forum.

If you like SEO reach out to gureilla, Bofu, etc. I guarantee, if you ask nicely, both would get on the phone with you for hours.

How hard have you really tried? Not how long you've been around, how many hours in front of the computer, how many hours every day do you do productively doing something to advance you to your goals?

Persistence is your friend if you really believe in yourself.

A common list of the failures of Abraham Lincoln (along with a few successes) is:

1831 - Lost his job
1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
1833 - Failed in business
1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
1835 - Sweetheart died
1836 - Had nervous breakdown
1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
1848 - Lost re-nomination
1849 - Rejected for land officer position
1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1860 - Elected President (success)

That looks like a pretty glum résumé, making you wonder how he ever made it to the top. But when you really think of it, to run for office or high positions so many times, you have to have something on the ball and have more successes than meet the eye.
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Spliffic said:
This. If you have such extensive "web industry" experience and have been doing AM for a few years + grinding 12 hour days every day then I'm afraid the problem is most likely you. Having web experience/design is a huge advantage over most AMers, but if you can't sniff out the opportunities, know how to test and optimize (and know when to walk away), or even write copy, then there is only one answer and that's you bud.

Sorry for the tough love but you have all those "qualities" and can't make any money off AM after 3+ years is pure fail IMO.
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its a bit more complicated then just me having web experience and i've failed even with that experience. timing, funds etc ...all that's involved.

i agree with everyone in here...lot of this is on me. i realize my failures but that doesn't keep me from treking along. sometimes i'm more eager than at other times. i'm determined but sometimes the dumbbells are just a bit too heavy.

now i'm sounding like a bitch and i'm cryin over this...all i wanted to do was bring out the point that most of us work hard and this society fucks those that do. it's the smart, lucky ones that make it.

turn on the tv and you can see for yourself. all those lucky fucks on real world, the hills...don't do shit all day but get the breaks, actors, singers, most of them don't have a college degree. they do have talent of course.

idk...just think some of us were meant to drive ferraris'...some of us were meant to drive a honda
 
FTC-Hater said:
It's out to fuck those who give up. Not those who keep trying progressively.

...You're surrounded with people who make insane amounts of money online at this forum.

If you like SEO reach out to gureilla, Bofu, etc. I guarantee, if you ask nicely, both would get on the phone with you for hours.

How hard have you really tried? Not how long you've been around, how many hours in front of the computer, how many hours every day do you do productively doing something to advance you to your goals?

Persistence is your friend if you really believe in yourself.
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thanks man...something i needed to hear
 
cv735 said:
thanks..ur right...have been brainstorming for the past few weeks. went on a surf trip, surfed my brains out, came back and just realized this isn't where i want to be...
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Start by getting your head out of the Interwebz and into commerce itself.

Personally I own about five different offers and just use the SEO biz to generate guaranteed money. Yet, the SEO biz pays for all of my personal bills and THEN some.

You need to get off the computer and get a sales job or three.

Study marketing while you're doing it and spend the time making your own SEO offer to complement your existing service offering.

I could go out right now and close two deals right now if I wanted to by sun down.

You're just not knowledgeable enough yet. The money's out there, you just need to learn how to grab it.
 
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