Where is your stimulus money going?

johu said:
So giving money from the government to private businesses for the stimulus is better than the government creating projects themselves.
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I was going to put this too.

We are putting this money into private business for them to decide how to most efficiently use it anyway.

I'm sure a lot of private business that received this money are happy about it.

Just wish they could have answered the questions accurately.

Private business takes the money and then fucks up the questionnaire, that's all this was.
 


LotsOfZeros said:
Does it matter? They're all B.S. corporate welfare, political corruptionist programs.
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And Obama's was the most transparent in the history of mankind. (spanning Republican presidents also)

It could have been accurate too, if private business answered those darn questions accurately.

Darn government bureaucracy not getting it right....

LotsOfZeros said:
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Liberal knee-jerk. You have to get off the Bush train dude. Obama's been your daddy for almost a year now and things are worse than when Bush was pulling the strings.
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You pulled up a Bush era stimulus package, he pointed it out.

Can't argue about the bad things with Bush's package in an argument about Obama's. It muddles the waters.
 
UnripeArbiter said:
And Obama's was the most transparent in the history of mankind.
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The shear fact that you can say this with a straight face tells me I am wasting my time arguing with someone who has obviously been given some sort of an injection (keep away from those black helicopters next time).

You just invalidated any further debate you attempt to advance.
 
LotsOfZeros said:
The shear fact that you can say this with a straight face tells me I am wasting my time arguing with someone who has obviously been given some sort of an injection (keep away from those black helicopters next time).

You just invalidated any further debate you attempt to advance.
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:)

You believe in black helicopters. hehehe. (sure, I'll stay away from the black helicopters; I really appreciate the advice...:rolleyes:)

Again...

UnripeArbiter said:
The only paranoia and conspiracy theories are on your side of the aisle.
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LotsOfZeros said:
The shear fact that you can say this with a straight face tells me I am wasting my time arguing with someone who has obviously been given some sort of an injection (keep away from those black helicopters next time).

You just invalidated any further debate you attempt to advance.
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No i have to agree with lotsofzeros on this one.

If you think he is the most transparent president ever you have issues. This is the same Obama who said that Cspan would be allowed in all of the debates over the bills, and every bill would be placed online 3 days before voting so the whole country could see it. None of that has happened.

Obama has done nothing yet that he promised on the campaign trail. But not going to get on a soapbox, just trying to say that Obama is in fact not transparent.
 
Mill said:
No i have to agree with lotsofzeros on this one.

If you think he is the most transparent president ever you have issues. This is the same Obama who said that Cspan would be allowed in all of the debates over the bills, and every bill would be placed online 3 days before voting so the whole country could see it. None of that has happened.

Obama has done nothing yet that he promised on the campaign trail. But not going to get on a soapbox, just trying to say that Obama is in fact not transparent.
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Every president makes mistakes. Just because of what you point out here ^ doesn't suddenly make Obama completely opaque.

I don't remember Bush having something like Recovery.gov....for the bank bailout.

All I said was Obama has had the most transparent bailout in the history of mankind; I think this is true. It's not like they had websites back in the day. (this is 21st century transparency)

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hellblazer said:
Because those are clearly the only two options.
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But you do cede to the fact that Bush had no transparency in the bank bailout?
 
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cardine said:
This. The best option would have been no recovery money.

I know it's revolutionary, but private citizens spend their money better than government bureaucrats.
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I agree.

But wasn't the problem that citizens were in a spending slump?

Confidence was low spending was down, spending was down profits were down, profits were down, people start getting laid off.

We were in need of a little Keynesian state spending to artificially and temporarily boost demand while things were in a slump.

It all comes down to supply side vs demand economics.

The state does a little Keynesian spending to artificially inflate demand.

I don't claim to be an expert or have the final answer however, but the government isn't just spending willy-nilly they have good theory behind their practices.

Just putting it out there..... I don't want to get raped, I'm no expert.

Here's a video that I haven't watched that supposedly goes totally against what I just said so..... I'm simply putting it out there....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoxDyC7y7PM"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

Paul Krugman sounds like he supports it...

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And Obama's was the most transparent in the history of mankind. (spanning Republican presidents also)

It could have been accurate too, if private business answered those darn questions accurately.

Darn government bureaucracy not getting it right....
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In response, I will quote a comment on yaliberty.org:

You're right that the content is contributed by citizens. The transcript of the video I believe you're referring to is here, and says as much. However, it also says:
Additionally, the Board works with the federal Inspector General community to prevent and detect misuse of Recovery funds.

The American public can be a big part of that effort. Recovery.gov provides a forum for citizens to report fraud, waste, and abuse.
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It seems to me that in getting the submitted data onto the website, someone would be able to catch this incorrect information which, left as it is, looks an awful lot like misuse of "recovery" funds. Moreover, if you check the FAQ for citizens, the government clearly takes responsibility for the site:
Q: What is Recovery.gov?
A: Recovery.gov is the official government website created by the Recovery Act to help taxpayers track how Recovery money is being spent. You can follow the spending into your own state, county, zip code, or congressional district. [emphasis mine]
Q: Who runs Recovery.gov?
A: The Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, established by the Recovery Act, maintains Recovery.gov. The Recovery Board includes Chairman Earl Devaney, appointed by President Obama, and 12 Inspectors General, 10 of whom were named to the Board by the Recovery Act and two of whom were appointed by President Obama.
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The inspector generals, the next question goes on to say, are responsible for making sure that the administration of this spending goes well and no misuse of funds occurs.
So either way, this is an official government website (lacking a beta designation, by the way, which is customary for beta sites) displaying false information despite being designed to weed out exactly such content and provide transparency. I fail to see how it is an improvement on the situation to say that the content is user-submitted given that (per the video you mentioned and the FAQ) it is transferred from another website and reformatted for this one. No one could check to see if there was any wrong information or misuse of funds during that process? Really? That's just as bad as the staff entering bad content themselves...oh wait, it is the staff entering bad content themselves.
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UnripeArbiter said:
Just putting it out there..... I don't want to get raped, I'm no expert.
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So you're saying if people aren't spending money, it is not because they have a rational reason not to spend it?

Why is it then? Because they are too stupid to make their own decisions? So the government should confiscate their money and spend it for them on things they don't want?
 
UnripeArbiter, didn't you tell us you were in jail a few years ago for "silly reasons" and that the government was too incompetent to figure out affiliate marketing was a legitimate job?

Government allegedly fucks up when making decisions about you, but is good enough to make decisions about everyone else?

Here's the quote:
Alright, here's the deal, I just got out of jail about a month ago, was there for 94 days. It was for silly reasons, obstruction of justice... Caught drinking underage at a park with a few friends, I told the ranger a fake name, ran away, yada yada, got put on probation, skipped a few drug tests, yada yada. Long story short, now I'm on ISP. (Intensive Supervised Probation)

Well, in order to appease my PO I must get a job. A job! :eek: My online affiliate schemes won't qualify even though I could earn more money doing this, and doing what I love, than I ever will working, simultaneously, 12 hour days at multiple McDonalds.
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And here's the thread: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/6363-college-course-recommendations.html
 
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