Affiliate marketers and school

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I was talking with someone the other day, and they said to me, "Damn you
know your shit with business, marketing, etc. You must have been a great student in school."

My Reaction: :eek7:

Personally I was:

1. Typically running late for class.

2. Rarely gave two shits about school.

3. Dropped out of college after 2 years.

So, what kind of students in general are Affiliate Marketers?

What kind of student were you?


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Freshman in college...3.8 gpa...but i don't care for it or about it...just do it cause parents make me...
 
parrot head said:
Personally I was:

1. Typically running late for class.

2. Rarely gave two shits about school.

3. Dropped out of college after 2 years.
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Yep. I often get asked what school my degree is from.
I went to school for 2 yrs at Michigan State before I dropped out. My last semester there, I literally never attended two of my classes -- at 4 credit hours, they met four times a week -- and aced the finals anyway. One class, I did go to, very often, and I still failed. That's a broken system, IMHO.

I think, in principle, a piece of paper saying "You learned all this!" is a great idea, but in practice, the value of the thing is really diluted. Practically, a degree has become more of a gold-star for putting up with four-to-eight years of busywork; the knowledge itself can be obtained outside the institution (and sometimes you're better off that way).

Don't get me wrong. Coming out of high school, most people need four-to-eight years of stupid, easy busywork [so they can not-do-it, sleep-through-it, procrastinate-it, get it all out of their system]. Most of my friends are still back in Michigan, "learning." But once you find your work ethic, and stop drinking a fifth of vodka for breakfast, and opt not to flake out on every responsibility life throws at you, the best part about college for me was dropping out, and no longer paying someone else for stupid, easy busywork to waste my time on.
 
uplinked said:
Yep. I often get asked what school my degree is from.
I went to school for 2 yrs at Michigan State before I dropped out. My last semester there, I literally never attended two of my classes -- at 4 credit hours, they met four times a week -- and aced the finals anyway. One class, I did go to, very often, and I still failed. That's a broken system, IMHO.

I think, in principle, a piece of paper saying "You learned all this!" is a great idea, but in practice, the value of the thing is really diluted. Practically, a degree has become more of a gold-star for putting up with four-to-eight years of busywork; the knowledge itself can be obtained outside the institution (and sometimes you're better off that way).

Don't get me wrong. Coming out of high school, most people need four-to-eight years of stupid, easy busywork [so they can not-do-it, sleep-through-it, procrastinate-it, get it all out of their system]. Most of my friends are still back in Michigan, "learning." But once you find your work ethic, and stop drinking a fifth of vodka for breakfast, and opt not to flake out on every responsibility life throws at you, the best part about college for me was dropping out, and no longer paying someone else for stupid, easy busywork to waste my time on.
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I understand how you see that, but the way I see it, and probably people looking for people with degrees is...

The student worked hard enough to
1) Get into College/University.
2) Finish College/University.
3) Possibly learn to Live/Work with other students.

It's not so much that it is only that the person has a degree and they now know what they majored in, but also the work ethic. You cannot graduate college without putting in some work. Some employers think that is the importance of going to college. NJ State Police require you go to college for two - four years...they do not care what your major is, just as long as you went to college and have a decent GPA.


Bill Gates got accepted and went to Harvard...He then dropped out to continue to build microsoft...Now that does not say that he has a Harvard education, but it does show his work ethic needed to get into a school of that level...that then transfered into his work ethic in his business and soon became the owner of one of, if not the largest company in the world...


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I'm not a huge fan of school...but i understand that it is more than just "a piece of paper" that you are receiving...

Now if you are self employed...then it means nothing cause you can tell yourself how hard of a worker you are and do not need to prove to anyone else besides yourself.
 
I was pretty much the same. (dropped out with 1 class to graduate, I can finish it anytime)...

1. Typically running late for class. (if I even showed up)

2. Rarely gave two shits about school.

3. Dropped out of college after 2 years.

Kinda eerie but I read it all the time, a lot of successful people dropped out of school at one point...including Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (later went back).

I have never cared for school and when I started making nice cash in this biz my care for getting an education went from 10% to 0%. If you can technically retire in a few years from this shit and live a great life, why not?
 
BrynYoungblut said:
I was pretty much the same. (dropped out with 1 class to graduate, I can finish it anytime)...

1. Typically running late for class. (if I even showed up)

2. Rarely gave two shits about school.

3. Dropped out of college after 2 years.

Kinda eerie but I read it all the time, a lot of successful people dropped out of school at one point...including Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (later went back).

I have never cared for school and when I started making nice cash in this biz my care for getting an education went from 10% to 0%. If you can technically retire in a few years from this shit and live a great life, why not?
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Don't base success on a lucky few. Most of your executives and well paid people are educated.
 
uplinked said:
the best part about college for me was dropping out, and no longer paying someone else for stupid, easy busywork to waste my time on.
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I had a free ride for my undergrad (with $3000 returned per semester), and I'm getting free tuition, all fees paid, and a $20,000/yr stipend to get my Ph.D. Work hard enough for school and you don't have to pay for it, they pay YOU for it.
 
I would rather someone that busted there ass working four years than someone that had a general degree from a public university.
 
Volume10 said:
I would rather someone that busted there ass working four years than someone that had a general degree from a public university.
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Public university is bad? Some of the top universities in the country are public ones. U Michigan, UVA, Florida State, Clemson, William and Mary, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Pitt... It all depends on the program you're in, too.
 
Graduated high school in the bottom half of the class. Basically, school was too boring for me. I could sleep through class and still get A's on the tests, so that was the only thing that saved my ass from failing completely.

Went to vocational school for automotive technology (fancy way of saying auto mechanic). Didn't finish because I disagreed with one of the required classes (sales and management) so I didn't go. Then went back to school almost 15 years later for my BS. Got straight A's until I had to take their "Signature Series" and pretty much told them to fuck themselves because it was a liberal brain washing class on the American life.

So...barely made it through high school...didn't finish either college I attempted (15 years apart) and I still manage to squeek by.
 
papajohn56 said:
I had a free ride for my undergrad (with $3000 returned per semester), and I'm getting free tuition, all fees paid, and a $20,000/yr stipend to get my Ph.D. Work hard enough for school and you don't have to pay for it, they pay YOU for it.
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Oh, praise the lord, a saving grace. If I bust my balls for this institution, and really devote myself to doing 8 hours of homework a day, 8 months a year, for 8 years, they might even pay me something.

Congrats on your full package. You have a sweet deal, dude. Most people don't have that option.
In fact, nobody I knew in college got a free ride. And personally, I busted my ass in high school trying to get scholarships for college, and despite a 3.5 GPA, a low-income background, no-fucking-cosigner for my loans and as much promise and potential as an 18 year old kid could show, I didn't get a single dollar in "free" money for school. I didn't even get to defer my loans. I've been paying it back since the day I got there.

Even if it "works" for some people, you can't deny that it's broken for many.
 
First of all remove Clemson from your list unless you are looking for an Agriculture Engineer. I will stand by my statement. I have hired probably 400+ people in my career. The ones with general degrees from public universities were, at minimum, no better than when I went down to the used car lot and recruited salesmen. At the end of the day it all comes down to execution in most jobs. They don't teach that at school.

That's my experience. BTW, one of my best hires ever came from had a degree from UVA and UC Berk so I never said that public universities suck.

papajohn56 said:
Public university is bad? Some of the top universities in the country are public ones. U Michigan, UVA, Florida State, Clemson, William and Mary, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Pitt... It all depends on the program you're in, too.
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uplinked said:
Oh, praise the lord, a saving grace. If I bust my balls for this institution, and really devote myself to doing 8 hours of homework a day, 8 months a year, for 8 years, they might even pay me something.

Congrats on your full package. You have a sweet deal, dude. Most people don't have that option.
In fact, nobody I knew in college got a free ride. And personally, I busted my ass in high school trying to get scholarships for college, and despite a 3.5 GPA, a low-income background, no-fucking-cosigner for my loans and as much promise and potential as an 18 year old kid could show, I didn't get a single dollar in "free" money for school. I didn't even get to defer my loans. I've been paying it back since the day I got there.

Even if it "works" for some people, you can't deny that it's broken for many.
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In large part it depends on the state you live in. Illinois is broken beyond repair (I used to live there). In-state tuition for engineering/science students at U of I is equal to or slightly more than where I got my bachelors. In South Carolina, where I am, I got to go to a top 50 university (top 20 public), and based on High school, they offer a base $5000/yr scholarship for 3.0+ GPA, and if you're math/science/engineering, it's augmented by $2500/yr. I got recruiting scholarships, as well, and a tuition waiver.

Graduate school in science/math/engineering is paid for almost all of the time, no matter where you go. Grad students teach classes or do research, and as a result, tuition is waived and they get a stipend. This is the case 90% of the time or more.

Science/math/engineering are in desperate need, so they'll throw money at you.
 
Volume10 said:
First of all remove Clemson from your list unless you are looking for an Agriculture Engineer. I will stand by my statement. I have hired probably 400+ people in my career. The ones with general degrees from public universities were, at minimum, no better than when I went down to the used car lot and recruited salesmen. At the end of the day it all comes down to execution in most jobs. They don't teach that at school.

That's my experience. BTW, one of my best hires ever came from had a degree from UVA and UC Berk so I never said that public universities suck.
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I disagree about Clemson, their engineering and science programs are good, especially in Mech. E, Chem. E, Physics, EE/CompE, and Automotive E.

General degrees (Communications, general studies, etc etc) are generally worthless unless you put it to some different use, regardless of where you went.
 
SEO_Mike said:
Graduated high school in the bottom half of the class. Basically, school was too boring for me. I could sleep through class and still get A's on the tests, so that was the only thing that saved my ass from failing completely.
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Yep. Didn't do the homework or assignments and would walk into a test without studying. I wouldn't ace it, but I would do well enough to pass the classes. I had marginal grades but I didn't care.

Come college it was a shit show. We would drink ourselves stupid in the big cemetery behind the school and smoke ourselves stupid. Plus there was a fantastic strip joint a block away from the school called the Coach House Inn where we would take two hour lunches in Gyno Row, eating burgers and watching the talent (and good lord there was some fine talent).

The funny part about it was the head of the design department and a couple of the top teachers were often sat on the other side of the stage form us.

It was always funny rolling back into class around two for a lecture from the department head sporting a big ol' mustard stain on his shirt from his buffalo burger.

Good times :)
 
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