√ Making Money For Dummies Guide √

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Hey,

This is probably my first guide on Wicked Fire. I decided I should give something to this community. Practically, what you're about to read is a method I've taught to newbies within the past six months. Some of you may have problems with it, some may not. Either way, all the leads/sales backed up for the advertiser; so the method itself is not defrauding any party. I'm going to provide you with two examples right away that you can implement. These two are the same ones that I taught to newbies; currently they make around $1,500 weekly. That amount may not sound that large, but take several things into account, such as that you won't pay for advertising, no prior experience or skills is required, and lots of room for expansion with little competition.

Again, please take note that if done properly; then the leads/sales will back-up and result into a positive portfolio for the advertiser.

Enough of the introduction, let's begin:

First thing first, we need to get two offers that we plan to promote. In our example, we will use AdultFriendFinder and HostRocket. For AFF, we will focus on their Pay Per Order Option. They will pay $130 per sale. Host Rocket pays $110 per sale also. AFF and for HR, sign up via CJ.

Second of all, we will find dating forums and hosting forums. Any forums that have a large number of members dedicated to either Dating or Hosting. A simple Google Search will yield results. Once you've found several forums of each, make an account on both.

Now, for the third step; you will make a thread saying that you're giving out free memberships to Dating/Hosting sites. Remember to list that it's AFF/HR. You will post that for AFF, you are giving out a free one month gold membership, and for HR; you're giving out a free one month hosting.

You're thread should now be piling up with posts. What you would do is PM each interested member. Explain to them that if they are interested in keeping their membership with AFF/HR; that they will need to add their own credit card to pay for all the following months. After they agree, you'll ask them for their contact information. Tell them that you need to create an account for them.

Up to the 4th step now. What we want to do now is buy SOCKS. If you head over to Digital Point, yes I know it's a dreadful word; but you'll find many SOCK sellers. Typically; the price goes for 0.50-0.75 cents each. Pretty much, what you're buying is fresh IP's. You will use that to create a AFF/HR account for the people that were interested from the forum. You will use their contact information when registering the account. Once you've paid for the Gold Membership on a AFF account, you should earn $130 in your affiliate account. BUT, $30 will come out of your pocket for the Gold Membership. For HR, you will need to pay a little under $40. Now, you need to realize that you actually need different credit cards for each account.

Now, you probably realize that you need different credit card numbers for each account. Well you will drive down to your nearest store, and purchase visa gift cards. Load several for $30, and others for $40. You will use the $30 cards on the AFF accounts, and $40 cards on HR accounts.
Remember that you can add any billing address to these cards, so you would place the contact details from the visitors on the forum.

Step 5, now once the accounts have their memberships; you would give back the accounts. On AFF accounts, you will profit $95/account; and on the HR accounts, you'll profit $65.


Few Words

I personally taught five people this method. Till this day, they execute it succesfully. The highest earner makes $2,500 a week. The lowest makes $1,000. I check up on the them weekly to aid, and all is well. I've even spoken on their behalf with the Affiliate Manager, to make sure the traffic backs up. And guess what, it's backing up. These newbies have been at this for 4-6 months now, and with no complaints from the advertisers.

So as I said for, some of you may not like this method. But this all comes down to that it does make money, and the advertiser does profit. Which I believe ethically and morally justifies this Guide.

Thanks,
Martin
 


So when the people don't want to keep the account after a month... and they don't update the credit card info to their own...

What happens is the advertiser notices a considerable amount of your referrals dropping after the first month.

What do you suggest telling them?

The returns on those pre-paids (if the buyer leaves it on) is going to be declined. I'm 100% sure if they notice a lot of drops your going to get canned.

Otherwise, this is a fairly good idea... maybe if you could ensure they add their own credit card information to the account it would seal it up fairly well
 
So when the people don't want to keep the account after a month... and they don't update the credit card info to their own...

What happens is the advertiser notices a considerable amount of your referrals dropping after the first month.

What do you suggest telling them?

The returns on those pre-paids (if the buyer leaves it on) is going to be declined. I'm 100% sure if they notice a lot of drops your going to get canned.

Otherwise, this is a fairly good idea... maybe if you could ensure they add their own credit card information to the account it would seal it up fairly well

Honestly, I'm not too sure what is happening behind the scenes on the advertiser side; but I know that the affiliates have now been doing this for 4-6 months; and the check is still coming every month. Not only that, but I had spoken to the Affiliate Managers on the behalf of the affiliates to understand how the traffic is doing, and they said it's converting positively.
 
Nice. I always love a good exploit.

So you are basically abusing the initial payout from these sellers, and baiting customers with a first month free offer.

Question, from your experience, do the customer stay as members? Or do they cancel after a month?
 
Nice. I always love a good exploit.

So you are basically abusing the initial payout from these sellers, and baiting customers with a first month free offer.

Question, from your experience, do the customer stay as members? Or do they cancel after a month?

I don't know the percentage of how many stay. But enough stay so that it remains profitable for the advertiser.
 
Yea but now since you've posted it publicly expect 20,000 people to try it out in the next couple months. I bet once a ton of people start doing this advertisers will catch on to a spike in drop offs, primarily because of {if 2nd month decline > ~25% of affiliate X's referrals = Advertiser will drop you}

Not to mention, if they were to see the cards being declined, (since you said to buy them down the street at walmart rabble rabble rabble) all the cards will begin with the same string - First 4 digit = 4494 (on all declined cards for affiliate X's referrals) This either means all the cards came from the same bank, or same branch location, etc. ><Fraud Alert!><

You might get lucky and be able to get a variety of starting Card numbers, but its unlikely.
 
Yea but now since you've posted it publicly expect 20,000 people to try it out in the next couple months. I bet once a ton of people start doing this advertisers will catch on to a spike in drop offs, primarily because of {if 2nd month decline > ~25% of affiliate X's referrals = Advertiser will drop you}

Not to mention, if they were to see the cards being declined, (since you said to buy them down the street at walmart rabble rabble rabble) all the cards will begin with the same string - First 4 digit = 4494 (on all declined cards for affiliate X's referrals) This either means all the cards came from the same bank, or same branch location, etc. ><Fraud Alert!><

You might get lucky and be able to get a variety of starting Card numbers, but its unlikely.

I suppose that is when creativity should kick in then :).
 
in my opinion, this would be considered fraud by most adult affiliate programs...

not saying it can't work... just that you may get your account terminated for it...
 
Bill, you do understand some of us live in different countries right? This does not get filled up that easily. The only problem that I see here is if you happen to fall on a bad "crop" with 90% cancellations, that you get banned and commissions revoked.
 
I'm telling you, you have a high chance of getting caught up in fraud...
In order to make online purchases with those cards, they need to be identity verified... From what I understand, I don't think you can use a "pre-paid" or gift-card online until you register it with your identity. Address, Name, all kinds of pertinent information.

Unless you start using fake names on the prepaids, if thats the case, thats thin ice
 
I'm telling you, you have a high chance of getting caught up in fraud...
In order to make online purchases with those cards, they need to be identity verified... From what I understand, I don't think you can use a "pre-paid" or gift-card online until you register it with your identity. Address, Name, all kinds of pertinent information.

Unless you start using fake names on the prepaids, if thats the case, thats thin ice

The contact details that you would add onto the cards would be that of the interested person from the forum.

What you need to understand is the product in this situation. If someone is actively using a hosting for several weeks, and has several domains on it now. Would they close everything after one month? No, they wouldn't in most cases. For dating, if the person made several good friends online on AFF, and had worked on building up friends; he/she wouldn't just leave after one month that easily.

We should rename this forum DigitalPoint2



Jesus.. fucking.. christ

On DP; this information would be on a sales thread for $100 a pop.
 
Well, i would say this is a dangerous method for large volume. Not to mention frauds ratio. That'd work for small volume but if you're talking about $2k+/week, that'll be too suspicious for the advertisers. It probably works better in terms of "rebate".
 
The contact details that you would add onto the cards would be that of the interested person from the forum.

This is where identity theft comes into play.
You are registering a card to someone's name - who is not giving you permission to do so.

This for sure could get you into some shit in the states, I don't know about other countries.
 
This is where identity theft comes into play.
You are registering a card to someone's name - who is not giving you permission to do so.

This for sure could get you into some shit in the states, I don't know about other countries.

Well beforehand, you are informing the interested person that you need their contact details to make an account for them. So you are receiving an approval from them.
 
Well beforehand, you are informing the interested person that you need their contact details to make an account for them. So you are receiving an approval from them.

You're not receiving permission to open a credit card account on their behalf. That affects their credit rating... sketchy.
 
Dude,
For us-based gift cards, You need to register it - With someone's identity, before you can use it online.
Usually this involves a driver's license number or social security number.

Unless you are getting their approval for registering a financial instrument (i.e. something issued from a real bank - that hold the "prepaid funds" that are to be distributed to the merchant) you are playing around with borderline identity theft.

This is of course a whole different scenario as opposed to getting payed on a sale you damn well know that needs to be generated by the user.

You as an affiliate network should know that advertiser's usually stipulate that leads and sales need to be generated BY THE USER, and can not be entered by you, the affiliate.

Either way, while this may or may not deal with the advertiser losing money on retaining customers who were brought in with a "free-offer" I'll still almost guarantee its against the advertiser's terms as well as borderline ID theft.
 
on a side note,
Why not do this with Acai and Super Colon Explosion/Cleanse

You could run another beckysweightloss, or whatever name is being whored around right now...

It would give your site an edge over all the rest... because your customers wouldn't even have to pay shipping.

Register 500 gift cards with the minimum amount on it.. say $5/$10

You pay $3.95 for shipping on the card, they get a trial, you get a $30 pay out

Bad news is when the advertiser sees that every single referral you had fails the re-bill you're toast.


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