Have you taken LSD?

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I don't think most people take LSD to tell everyone how much they're tripping balls (well, that may sometimes be the intention, but not what actually happens). It's very head based, visuals aren't strong (light things like planes appearing much closer, colours appearing more vivid, things in general looking much more beautiful, as well as face morphing if you look in a mirror, or use the front facing camera on your phone).

Every time I take it, I think of at least one solution to a problem in my life, if not more. I definitely don't think I'd want to microdose every day though. Since last year, I've been taking it roughly once every 3 months.

Some recommendations:

• If you can, a weekday is better. I don't like the number of people that are about on weekends.
• Bring cigarettes. Even if you don't smoke, you can at least light them and watch them burn. Your perception of time will be completely fucked, and they'll help you keep a handle on things.
• I'd personally go for a full tab. I find half a tab is a bit unsatisfying.
• Make sure you have the ability to wander through the countryside. If you're stuck at home, even if you have a decent sized garden, you're gonna have a bad time. Make sure the countryside is in walking distance of somewhere you can sleep, you don't want to drive that day.
• A bike is a good idea, you get much further, and they're very fun.
• Make sure you have everything ready to go before you take it.
• A pad of paper and pens/pencils is a good idea. Load up an mp3 player/phone/iPod with your choice of songs, but I'd highly recommend including The Wall, Dark Side of The Moon, Revolver, Sergeant Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour and The White Album. I'd start off with some of the Beatles ones, then move into the Pink Floyd later.
• If possible, I'd recommend a separate device for recording voice memos, they're more convenient than writing, and recording one will stop the music if you're using the same device (even if you're using headphones -.-). When I've done it, I've typically brought two iPhones.
• Keep the tab underneath your tongue until it's mushy. Mine have been a bit bitter, and waiting until the bitterness goes is a good indicator. At that point, chew it. Don't drink water until 5-10 minutes after you've finished chewing it, and swallowed, and wait at least 5 minutes after drinking before taking it. The chlorine in both bottled and tap water will destroy LSD.
• Make sure you can take photos.
• Bring some food and water, you'll be doing a lot of walking most likely.
• It's a good idea to put your phone on airplane mode, so you don't have to deal with calls, and to conserve the battery.
• I'd recommend bringing along some weed (I like my bubbler, for portability) to chill you out if it's getting too intense.
• You need to set an entire day aside. Take it before midday. You won't be able to do normal activities in the evening. You may be a touch spacey when interacting with others the next day, but not to an unreasonable level.
• It will come in waves. You'll have a period where you're feeling it full on, then a period where you feel like it's over, then another period where you're feeling it. Gradually, the periods will get more intense, until they reach a peak, and slowly start going down. This won't happen for ~5-6 hours.
• Finally, enjoy yourself, although that shouldn't be hard, as long as you go in with a good attitude and mood. Allow it to take you on the ride, sit back, and enjoy the experience. You have plenty of time, if you feel like walking/cycling some more, do it. You won't be like this forever, you're not going insane.

-joe- said:

[*]I'd recommend bringing along some weed (I like my bubbler, for portability) to chill you out if it's getting too intense.

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as much as I love weed... smoking during a trip can make it go south. ive heard time and time again how people are having an awesome trip and decide to smoke a joint and get "stuck" and the entire trip gets ruined. on the other hand it can make you trip much better so gotta play it careful you never know where itll take you. now smoking when you start coming down is great, itll shoot you back up to the peak, increase visuals/colors and just in general mind fuck you for 30 minutes and you will start coming down and then you smoke more and go back up. eventually the peaks start lasting shorter and shorter till your just high as fuck from weed.

tl;dr weed can intensify a trip beyond the point of enjoyment

Used to sell that shit and I've taken it between 15-20 times, at least. Just a few thoughts for you...

Acid's awesome. Unfortunately, I've taken it a few too many times and every now and again, walls/flat surfaces start breathing and intricate patterns *POP* out at me.

It's been a few years since I've dosed, and I can't say I miss it.

That's not to say I didn't have a blast. Nearly every one of my trips has been very positive (or at least entertaining/amusing)...

..But honestly, there's only so much insight you can derive from an acid trip.

That's why I'm highly skeptical of people who claim that LSD has "OMG CHANGED MY LIFE AND HOW I VIEW THE UNIVERSE!" In a way it does, but definitely not in that deeply profound mystical sense movies traditionally depict.

Personally, it made me realize just how malleable and fragile our perception of reality really is. It's absolutely incredible how much stimuli our minds filter out when we're sober.

Additionally, the "ego-death" people typically experience is profound. It's one of the most therapeutic aspects of the psychedelic experience. To leave your identity -- and all its baggage -- behind for a few hours is truly a "cleansing" journey. You basically see the world through the eyes of a child (free of cynicism, prejudice, Pavlonian bullshit).

Once you come out on the other side, the lingering emotional impact stays with you for a while.

My advice? Just don't believe everything you feel while tripping. It may seem like you've discovered the meaning of life, or met God -- but rest assured, acid is more subtractive and than it is additive (meaning it doesn't give you knowledge/wisdom so much as it mitigates existing psychic constraints, leaving you with an unfiltered view of things).

Oh, and -

For God sakes, take the full hit. Don't be a pussy.

Joe's got you covered pretty much with the advice there.

I haven't taken any in the last 10+ years, but I've done a fair bit of LSD in my time. There were a couple years in the early 90s in the Vancouver club/rave scene where I was dropping just about every weekend, mixing it up between MDMA trips, or sometimes doing both (candy flip). There was a dealer named Chris who would always give me free acid if I wanted to take it right there and then.

While clubbing/raving on acid is OK, the best trips were those that involved walking around the city, through the parks and on the beaches, or those that involved outdoor raving in the countryside, up near Squamish/Whistler.

The worst trips were those that involved dropping and hanging out with a bunch of people in my small city apartment while it was pouring rain outside. Though we had some epic Mariokart sessions.

People can sometimes be annoying as fuck on acid, or more annoying than usual I should say, and you don't want to be cooped up with a bunch of people in a confined space. Some of my friends would act like complete retards on LSD and so I had to be as far away from them as possible while still keeping an eye on them so they didn't do stupid shit. My girlfriend and I often wound up babysitting. The beach is good for this. You can let the lunatics run wild and the sand, rocks, waves and tidal pools are all terribly fascinating and do some crazy kaleidoscopic shit when you're high.

I would almost always drop later in the day and trip through the night and would wind up leaving the after hours and going to the beach to watch the sunrise. Though I don't really like being out in the sun on acid.

A couple times we got liquid acid in small dropper bottles, amber or blue coloured. That stuff was the best! Way better than blotter.

As for personal improvements, problem solving and whatnot, I can't say I had any earth shattering revelations. I found it to be quite a social drug and the best trips I ever had were with these three chicks back in 92. We'd drop a double and walk through Stanley Park and on the beaches all night long just talking until the sun came up.

I had a couple dealer friends give me the ragged edge off a sheet of blotter for my birthday. It was about a half a tab wide by 10 tabs long. We watched the Symphony of Fire fireworks display from a store rooftop and then went to a house party. It was the most acid I've ever taken at one time and it was a blast.

Worst place to wind up when you're coming down is Denny's. They had the most insane carpet in that place

taraz15 said:

as much as I love weed... smoking during a trip can make it go south. ive heard time and time again how people are having an awesome trip and decide to smoke a joint and get "stuck" and the entire trip gets ruined. on the other hand it can make you trip much better so gotta play it careful you never know where itll take you. now smoking when you start coming down is great, itll shoot you back up to the peak, increase visuals/colors and just in general mind fuck you for 30 minutes and you will start coming down and then you smoke more and go back up. eventually the peaks start lasting shorter and shorter till your just high as fuck from weed.

tl;dr weed can intensify a trip beyond the point of enjoyment

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The other problem with weed combined with anything that acts on serotonin receptors appears to be some kind of synergistic memory destroying ability.

Being stuck in 3-second time loops where you start a thought, get half way through it and then forget what you started thinking about is not fun. If you're not careful you can quite quickly think you've completely lost your shit and "broken" yourself. Whether people experience this or not seems to be quite an individual thing though.

The best shot for taking the anxiety out of a trip gone south is a benzo a la lorazepam/diazepam/flunitrazepam.

taraz15 said:

as much as I love weed... smoking during a trip can make it go south. ive heard time and time again how people are having an awesome trip and decide to smoke a joint and get "stuck" and the entire trip gets ruined. on the other hand it can make you trip much better so gotta play it careful you never know where itll take you. now smoking when you start coming down is great, itll shoot you back up to the peak, increase visuals/colors and just in general mind fuck you for 30 minutes and itll start coming down and then you smoke more and go back up. eventually the peaks start lasting shorter and shorter till your just high as fuck from weed.

tl;dr weed can intensify a trip beyond the point of enjoyment

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Yeah, I wouldn't smoke a joint, that'd be too much I think (if you don't have a problem with tobacco, you could always have what's called a spliff in the UK, i.e. tobacco and weed). My last time, I didn't smoke any until ~9 hours after taking it. But previous times, I've smoked, varying from early on (first time, I had some an hour or so before, second time, I smoked 3-4 times).

My last time, I did smoke, but only very small amounts. That's another reason I like the bubbler, you can be very precise with your doses. If you just have a very small amount (I took Modafinil the last time, which counteracted the lazy effects of the weed a little too) then it can be a nice thing to take the edge off.

If you're not sure, it's a good idea to smoke a very little bit, then wait 5 minutes and see how you are. Try and choose cigarettes over weed, but I wouldn't say that weed is an absolute no-no either.

We would smoke in the morning after an all night session to mellow out. Back then, in my early 20s, weed had a relaxing effect on me. Now it gives me a lot of anxiety

GimpSpack said:

My advice? Just don't believe everything you feel while tripping. It may seem like you've discovered the meaning of life, or met God -- but rest assured, acid is more subtractive and than it is additive (meaning it doesn't give you knowledge/wisdom so much as it mitigates existing psychic constraints, leaving you with an unfiltered view of things).

Oh, and -

For God sakes, take the full hit. Don't be a pussy.

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I think that's a hard thing to act on. Use your mind. Stupid people will remain stupid, smart people will remain smart. This is why I like voice memos and notepads though - you can unleash your mind, say whatever, even if it's stupid, and then look at it all again the next day and think about whether there was some truth to it, or whether it was actually stupid.

RE final point: Agreed. I've done a half tab once, and I ended up taking a full tab a week later because the previous one felt incomplete.

Fatbat said:

People can sometimes be annoying as fuck on acid, or more annoying than usual I should say, and you don't want to be cooped up with a bunch of people in a confined space. Some of my friends would act like complete retards on LSD and so I had to be as far away from them as possible while still keeping an eye on them so they didn't do stupid shit. My girlfriend and I often wound up babysitting. The beach is good for this. You can let the lunatics run wild and the sand, rocks, waves and tidal pools are all terribly fascinating and do some crazy kaleidoscopic shit when you're high.

I would almost always drop later in the day and trip through the night and would wind up leaving the after hours and going to the beach to watch the sunrise. Though I don't really like being out in the sun on acid.

A couple times we got liquid acid in small dropper bottles, amber or blue coloured. That stuff was the best! Way better than blotter.

As for personal improvements, problem solving and whatnot, I can't say I had any earth shattering revelations. I found it to be quite a social drug and the best trips I ever had were with these three chicks back in 92. We'd drop a double and walk through Stanley Park and on the beaches all night long just talking until the sun came up.

I had a couple dealer friends give me the ragged edge off a sheet of blotter for my birthday. It was about a half a tab wide by 10 tabs long. We watched the Symphony of Fire fireworks display from a store rooftop and then went to a house party. It was the most acid I've ever taken at one time and it was a blast.

Worst place to wind up when you're coming down is Denny's. They had the most insane carpet in that place

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Yeah, taking with one other person for your first time is good, it's nice having someone to experience it with, and chat about the interconnectedness of the universe. Try to choose chill people though, people who don't wind up others when taking hallucinogens, who aren't douchebags, who are friendly and caring, and who don't have a tendency to piss you off (I can think of some people who I'd consider friends, but can get pretty annoying when on many drugs).

RE earth shattering revelations, it has made me see some solutions to problems much more clearly, although going into it thinking 'I want to solve problem X' will be unlikely to solve that problem (although if you spend a little time thinking about it, you may, but that's unlikely to be a focus, instead, another problem). I think those have been more on the solo trips though (although I love solo trips and group trips equally, both are very very enjoyable).

Was the 5 tab one very visual? I've yet to take more than one tab, I know more than 5 I've heard a lot of people talk about just lying on the lawn and remembering very little.

mituozo said:

The other problem with weed combined with anything that acts on serotonin receptors appears to be some kind of synergistic memory destroying ability.

Being stuck in 3-second time loops where you start a thought, get half way through it and then forget what you started thinking about is not fun. If you're not careful you can quite quickly think you've completely lost your shit and "broken" yourself. Whether people experience this or not seems to be quite an individual thing though.

The best shot for taking the anxiety out of a trip gone south is a benzo a la lorazepam/diazepam/flunitrazepam.

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Yeah, that's another reason voice memos are very good - if you forget something, then you can just play it back, and decide whether to continue the train of thought. I know what you mean about the losing your shit (hence the last bulletpoint ) but I think as long as you remember you're not crazy, and it will end, you'll be fine. Again, the Beatles help with that, there's lots of lyrics in the albums I mentioned that I find support you and remind you you're not crazy, and the music can take your mind off things a bit.

RE the benzos, that's true if you totally want out, but for me, I've yet to feel that way. It's more just when my brain is thinking a million thoughts a minute, and is moving too fast for me to pin down one thought and contemplate it, weed helps slow it down a little.

As I said though, only a very little weed, you just want enough to get a very light slow down. I'm a lightweight, but in my bubbler, it would be 2, maybe 3 trims of the thinnest amount I could cut with nail scissors, of a fingernail sized bud. For me, that's about the right level to get a little euphoria, a little relaxation, a little slowing down of thoughts, without getting lethargic.

RE Fatbat, yeah, I'm the same, but I'd recommend testing your limits, it may just be that you were smoking too much. Get a bubbler, and put the tiniest amount you can posssibly manage in, almost at the point of having no effects, smoke it, then wait 5-10 minutes. If you're a bit giggly and happy, stop, else do it again. It may just be that the people you've smoked with are doing it more regularly, so have more tolerance. I hate the way I am on higher amounts of weed, but a very very small amount can be nice.

also what helps stopping bad trips from happening in the first place is to have xanax laying around. you dont even have to take it, just the fact that you have it while tripping will put your mind at ease because you have an "escape" out of the trip

I don't do drugs anymore - tried some weed and few coke party years back when I was young but these days its telling me nothing. Getting old and tired so I am focused on sports activity when have a free time - basicly the effect si the same - better I think :2twocents:

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Was the 5 tab one very visual? I've yet to take more than one tab, I know more than 5 I've heard a lot of people talk about just lying on the lawn and remembering very little.

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Yeah, I suppose it was. I've always had pretty interesting visuals even off a single tab though. Not the straight up hallucinations some people claim (like dragons and fairies and shit), but subtle things, like faces distorting and patterns breathing and moving (the kaleidoscope effect).

The most visuals I've ever had were from taking some shrooms at a new year's eve warehouse party. We were looking for some E, but couldn't find any, and I saw this hippy looking dude dancing. I asked him if he had anything and he said he had some chocolates he'd made in his bag. Disappeared and came back with a decent size chocolate that I split with a friend (glad I didn't take the whole thing myself actually). Everyone had 6 eyes and everything looked like a Warhol painting for hours after that. It was nuts.

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RE Fatbat, yeah, I'm the same, but I'd recommend testing your limits, it may just be that you were smoking too much. Get a bubbler, and put the tiniest amount you can posssibly manage in, almost at the point of having no effects, smoke it, then wait 5-10 minutes. If you're a bit giggly and happy, stop, else do it again. It may just be that the people you've smoked with are doing it more regularly, so have more tolerance. I hate the way I am on higher amounts of weed, but a very very small amount can be nice.

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I think we've had this conversation in other threads before. I still smoke regularly, but I roll a joint (no tobacco) and it will last me 3 or 4 days whereas we'd burn down 3 or 4 in a sitting when I was younger. I take two puffs and put it out and wait to see how I feel. It's better when I have a drink and I don't have any immediate responsibilities, work things weighing on my mind. I grow a bit every other summer here and I've still got a few glass jars full from last season.

Way too much.

Fatbat said:

Yeah, I suppose it was. I've always had pretty interesting visuals even off a single tab though. Not the straight up hallucinations some people claim (like dragons and fairies and shit), but subtle things, like faces distorting and patterns breathing and moving (the kaleidoscope effect).

The most visuals I've ever had were from taking some shrooms at a new year's eve warehouse party. We were looking for some E, but couldn't find any, and I saw this hippy looking dude dancing. I asked him if he had anything and he said he had some chocolates he'd made in his bag. Disappeared and came back with a decent size chocolate that I split with a friend (glad I didn't take the whole thing myself actually). Everyone had 6 eyes and everything looked like a Warhol painting for hours after that. It was nuts.

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Ah, cool. I know what you mean in terms of visuals, I've gotten a very small taste of that, in the same way half a tab gives you a small taste of some of a whole tab's effects.

That sounds great, I've been meaning to try shrooms. Salvia's a good laugh too (lasts 10-20 minutes, but during that time, the house I was in turned into a castle). 2CB/2CE sounds great too, apparently it's a bit similar to MDMA & LSD, but more visual - stuff like seeing flowers grow out of the ground, etc.

Fatbat said:

I think we've had this conversation in other threads before. I still smoke regularly, but I roll a joint (no tobacco) and it will last me 3 or 4 days whereas we'd burn down 3 or 4 in a sitting when I was younger. I take two puffs and put it out and wait to see how I feel. It's better when I have a drink and I don't have any immediate responsibilities, work things weighing on my mind. I grow a bit every other summer here and I've still got a few glass jars full from last season.

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Now you mention it, I think we may have done. I agree, I don't like the taste & smell of tobacco & weed (although always have a craving for cigs afterwards), although I don't really like joints. I normally ghost my hits, which makes joints a bit extreme for me, unless I'm really looking to mong out.

I thought you grew, I've grown a bit in the past too, although autumn humidity is a bitch here. Beautiful plant you got there

Always been too scared to take LSD. Have done lots of shrooms in my younger days, and was always told LSD is similar except about 10 times more intense. My shrooms trips were always more than intense enough for me, so I never bothered with LSD.

Then I discovered XTC, and thought it was great. Similar to shrooms, except there's 0% chance of a bad trip. With shrooms, you never knew if you were going to have a good or bad trip until it was too late. Then once you found out, you knew full well it was either going to be "yee haw!" or "ohhh shit, this ain't good" for the next 4 - 6 hours straight. With XTC though, it was always good, in one way or another.