"Federal judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law"
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Statistically someone of hispanic origin in Arizona is far more likely to be an illegal alien than someone who is black, white, or asian. Though if they wanted to make less controversial, simply ask every single person for identification. States shouldn't be issuing drivers licenses and state IDs to non-citizens anyways, and every time I ever been pulled over I been asked for ID. If no ID then go from there on establishing Identity. Why is that so hard to understand?
States check with the DHS when issuing a driver's license. It used to be different in the past, but now pretty much all states have a direct line from DMV offices to the immigration services. So an illegal alien cannot get a license.
If you speak with an accent, the first thing they ask you at the DMV is if you are a US citizen or a resident.
Hell I was born in Michigan and most people think I sound like I'm from Wales or something. (due to my hearing impairment apparently).
Btw why do they even bother asking that? You have to bring in your documentation for being a US Citizen/Resident anyways in order to get a license or state ID.
Here in Michigan when I had to get my driver's license replaced, I had to have over 5 forms of paperwork I shit you not, basically bank statement, utility bill, lease, my school diploma, birth certificate, social security card, only reason I didn't have to show a 1 forms of picture ID (kinda why I was trying to get my lost/stolen license replaced in the first place) on top of that was cuz I had to drag my mother into the secretary of state to confirm I was her child on top of all the paperwork.
PS: Michigan doesn't have a DMV, Secretary of State handles that.
Down in georgia earlier this year it was a bit easier (especially since at the time I had my old expired Michigan driver's license), just had to use bank statements and utility bill to establish state residency.
And back when I was 19, it was even easier to get my north carolina driver's license, hell they even printed your permanent license on the spot back then.
So some far-left fucktard doesn't like the law, so she decides to take it into her own hands? What a retarded bitch. Good luck delaying it for a couple days, this idiot's ruling will be overturned immediately.
This law will be suspended again within weeks and end up being decided by the Supreme Court.
All it will take is when some cop arrests a US citizen that happens to be Hispanic because he was hanging out somewhere and didn't have any papers.
My guess is the Supreme Court will also over turn it from there. I don't see the "anyone has to be able to prove there citizenship at anytime or risk getting arrested" as something that is going to fly with our current constitution. We are going to have to amend the constitution if we want to have a law that forces all citizens to carry with them at all times proof of citizenship or risk arrest.
All it will take is when some cop arrests a US citizen that happens to be Hispanic because he was hanging out somewhere and didn't have any papers.
My guess is the Supreme Court will also over turn it from there. I don't see the "anyone has to be able to prove there citizenship at anytime or risk getting arrested" as something that is going to fly with our current constitution. We are going to have to amend the constitution if we want to have a law that forces all citizens to carry with them at all times proof of citizenship or risk arrest.
The first state ID and learner's permit I got was in Indiana when I was 16. It was in 96. They didn't ask shit. Not even a utility bill. Just asked me which address I want printed on the card and that was it.
The last one was to convert NY license to FL, which I did last fall. It was a totally different story. Now you really have to prove a lot of shit before they even convert a valid license from another state, let alone get a new one.
On a (somewhat) unrelated note, it makes me smile every time I hear people talking about limiting "anything" for illegal immigrants.
It looks like anywhere you turn these days, you have to show some sort of paperwork/documents/ids to get anything done. Yet, the majority of people still seem to think that illegal immigrants just roam around and get driver's licenses, social security, retirement, etc. without any restrictions.
Even with bank accounts, now you can't get one unless you show some sort of government-issued documents. I remember my first checking account which I opened in NJ using only my college student ID.
Nothing like that anymore.
Shit, last week I was in NY. I needed to pick up a copy of an old arrest report from Police Plaza. The first thing clerks asked everyone in the waiting line was to show either a passport or a green card. I wondered if they would refuse to release arrest reports if someone said he/she was an illegal immigrant.
And they don't just look at your documents. At some places they scan them with what looks like scanners used by CBP at the border. So the shit gets checked out electronically to make sure your passport/green card/driver's license isn't fake or expired.
You must not get out much... if an officer wanted to, they could legally detain you for up to 24 hours without charge, such as in the case of verifying your identity (ie: make sure you don't have any warrants on you if they for some reason suspect you're hiding your identity for a reason). But they'd of course have to prove reasonable suspicion for detaining you (... unfortunately 'matching description' of someone of an ethnic background is too vaguely used).
Now California for example, you're not required by state law to identify yourself if you're not under arrest, however if you were driving and they stopped you, you must produce a drivers license. Many other states vary, but michigan for example requires you to produce ID (either by an ID card or information sufficient for an officer) if asked.
Kinda hard not to be when we're the only country that has people fitting the near exact definition of a "redneck".
Already happened.
Truck driver is stopped at a weighing station. Upon noticing his Mexican accent and physical features, they ask about his immigration status. He claims to be a citizen. They ask to see his birth certificate. When he says he doesn't carry his birth certificate with him, he is arrested and detained.
They release him when his girlfriend brings his birth certificate and other documents.
Turns out he was a native-born American citizen.
Yeah, because it's entirely redneck to verify if whether or not immigrants are here legally. It's redneck to want illegal immigrants to pay taxes. sigh.
A lot of illegals do pay taxes.
The immigration system is not nearly as simplistic as you imagine. It's not all about criminal illegals and people who jump the fence illegally. Many people came here legally but got fucked by the system. Others came here as children and are illegal. Many people came because they couldn't wait 20 years for our Kafkaesque bureaucracy to get rid of its backlogs so that husbands could see their wives and kids.
I have foreign inlaws and I've seen how crazy the immigration system is in this country and the drama they've been through. It's unreal. Crimes are committed for which there are no laws to protect the victims. Millions of dollars of taxes are being pumped into organizations that have nothing to show for it.
Shit needs fixing. Racial profiling, harassment and discrimination isn't going to solve the problem.
The left tries to pull at the heart strings of the useful idiots by bringing children into the discussion. If you are illegal then you need to be arrested and sent home (kids or no kids). American citizens are sent to prisons every day leaving children behind. Why are the children of criminal immigrants more important than American children? Where are the leftist crying and shitting themselves in the streets over the American children left behind????
The only people up in arms over the Arizona law are the illegals, families of illegals and leftest politicians wanting to buy the illegal vote. Anyone that thinks Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and others of their kind care about some poor slob illegal is fuckin stupid.
The progressive message cannot be argued....it has no ground to stand on. The progressive machine must lie, cheat, steal and spread wealth to stay in power. The illegal immigration issue is only the beginning of a move to legalize the millions of illegals in the US and purchase their votes.
This is the ONLY way the progressive/communist agenda can survive.