Stephen Hawking Says the Universe Was Not Created by God

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This story was published here in the UK today. Personally, I do believe myself, but it is interesting to hear what he has to say since he is considered by many to be the smartest man alive. Wondered what you guys thought...

God did not create the universe, the man who is arguably Britain's most famous living scientist says in a forthcoming book.

In the new work, The Grand Design, Professor Stephen Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity.

In his 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. But in the new text, co-written with American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, he said new theories showed a creator is "not necessary".

The Grand Design, an extract of which appears in the Times today, sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have been created out of chaos.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

In the forthcoming book, published on 9 September, Hawking says that M-theory, a form of string theory, will achieve this goal: "M-theory is the unified theory Einstein was hoping to find," he theorises.

"The fact that we human beings – who are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature – have been able to come this close to an understanding of the laws governing us and our universe is a great triumph."

Hawking says the first blow to Newton's belief that the universe could not have arisen from chaos was the observation in 1992 of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions – the single sun, the lucky combination of Earth-sun distance and solar mass – far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.

Hawking had previously appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. Writing in his bestseller A Brief History Of Time in 1988, he said: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God."

Hawking resigned as Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University last year after 30 years in the position.

Not that long back, he also commented on...
Hawking has indicated that he is almost certain that alien life exists in other parts of the universe and uses a mathematical basis for his assumptions. "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational. The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like." He believes alien life not only certainly exists on planets but perhaps even in other places, like within stars or even floating in outer space. He also warns that a few of these species might be intelligent and threaten Earth. Contact with such species might be devastating for humanity. "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans," he said. He advocated that, rather than try to establish contact, man should try to avoid contact with alien life forms.
 


still not gonna shut up the seriously religious.

On the brightside, at least the news is being released on my birthday! take that Jesus. I'm hip to your scams
 
Either way, whether its divine creation or spontaneous creation there is no way around having to accept that there is something infinite. If you believe that the universe created itself, it still created itself from something - from matter and energy that already existed. If you believe that God created the universe, then God already existed. In either case, either the matter and energy have no beginning, or God has no beginning. It just exists, and always has. Whichever one you believe.

Man can spend forever trying to intellectualize it but there will never be an answer to the question "Where did it all begin?" because something has always existed.
 
Doesn't matter what we think. I for one, couldn't care less.

Hawking's just pissed off at God, whether it exists or not, because he's an impotent cripple that may as well be a brain in a jar. And he blames God for that.

The guy is either a liar or not a genius at mathematics at all (which is obviously untrue). He knows that you cannot mathematically prove the existence of zero without first accepting the concept of ONE.

He believes in a God concept. He's just too pissed off at it...
 
These fucking scientists don't give up LOL. I guess the "big-bang" breathed life into man. Gave the fish that have light in the deep dark parts of the ocean.

So tired of these bullocks.
 
It just exists, and always has. Whichever one you believe.

Yes, energy has most likely always existed. Time is just something we use to measure movement with.

So, in other words.. There is no past or future, only an everlasting, everchanging present.
 
This appeal to authority is fallacious:

Stephen Hawking says God doesn't exist and since Stephen Hawking is smart it must be true.

Sounds just like:

My pastor says God exists and since my pastor is smart it must be true.

I care just as much of Hawking's opinion of God as I do Joe Torre's opinion of the Miami Heat.
 
still not gonna shut up the seriously religious.

On the brightside, at least the news is being released on my birthday! take that Jesus. I'm hip to your scams

This is the problem I find with most people. Not saying that the man is right or wrong but you guys take the hypothesis of one man and make it the truth.

Did you accept his first explanation that there was a god? Remember he was for god before he was against.

Until I see proof that matter can be created from nothing...then well the big bang is right up there with the bible.
 
I think the funniest thing about all this is if you go and look at other things Stephen has written or watch any of his documentaries... he says things like "its lucky that gravity came to be". He, and everyone else still don't seem to have a good explanation on where gravity came from or how it seems to work.

As humans, we still have a long way to go to truly understand the beginning of everything.
 
This appeal to authority is fallacious:

Stephen Hawking says God doesn't exist and since Stephen Hawking is smart it must be true.

Sounds just like:

My pastor says God exists and since my pastor is smart it must be true.

I care just as much of Hawking's opinion of God as I do Joe Torre's opinion of the Miami Heat.

One question...how the fuck does he know? All of his theories are based on speculation and things that we think we know. All things considered, there could be millions of little aliens inside the atoms of our cells, running our bodies.
 
I'm not saying I believe in God in a religious sense, but how the fuck does something as huge and oredered as the universe come from fuck all. Old dalek voice says "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing". Well where the fuck did that law come from?
 
This is the problem I find with most people. Not saying that the man is right or wrong but you guys take the hypothesis of one man and make it the truth.

Did you accept his first explanation that there was a god? Remember he was for god before he was against.

Until I see proof that matter can be created from nothing...then well the big bang is right up there with the bible.

Well, being inundated with thousands of people preaching their faith on me on an almost daily basis for my entire life, it feels good to hear some new news from a respected scientist that challenges these groups of people.

As far as 'God' goes, I have my own beliefs and instincts. I don't really listen to what everybody else tells me about it (i.e. every religion ever).

I'm just snidefully highlighting the comments for the devoted religious fanatics who have badgered me my whole life to swallow their philosophy and regard it as truth
 
Towards the end of the article.. Aliens, Columbus/America, intelligent threatening beings.

Sounds like he's going insane, like most super geniuses do.

I hate religion. But I believe there is a God out there.
 
Either way, whether its divine creation or spontaneous creation there is no way around having to accept that there is something infinite. If you believe that the universe created itself, it still created itself from something - from matter and energy that already existed. If you believe that God created the universe, then God already existed. In either case, either the matter and energy have no beginning, or God has no beginning. It just exists, and always has. Whichever one you believe.

Man can spend forever trying to intellectualize it but there will never be an answer to the question "Where did it all begin?" because something has always existed.


Like it :bowdown:
 
Towards the end of the article.. Aliens, Columbus/America, intelligent threatening beings.

Sounds like he's going insane, like most super geniuses do.

I hate religion. But I believe there is a God out there.

Agreed. I do believe in God (an eternal energy for our existence). Religion has nothing to do with the creation of this Universe. It's spritual not a religious hypothesis. One day by 25th or 28th Century, Robot's will say, "Man have not created Robots", Atleast they will be partially right. "Machines creates machines. Who uses a hand to make machines?", Right? WTF ? :action-smiley-052:

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