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I just met some guy who runs a local roofing business and he wants me to get his business on adwords and help with SEO. He has a small site with some contact info and a web guy I haven't met. I only spoke with this man for about 30 minutes and he wants to meet soon.

One idea I have is to set up a landing page with contact form to forward to my email and his blackberry and charge him per lead.

And thats as far as a good idea as I have. I would like to get him on his PPC accounts which I can also get affiliate commissions for.

I don't want a job, not even part time. I just want to set something up for him and not have to go back and fuck with it. Unless it turns out to be a good thing.

I am mainly a PPC guy and have never done any consulting. So if you guys have any ideas or advice, I would really appreciate it.
 


I forgot to mention that I could talk to him about this stuff all day but when does one start to charge for advice. I wouldn't want him to take all my ideas and try to get his web guy or someone else to do it.

It would just be easier to send him to a clickbank ebook and tell him to do it himeself, an easy $30.
 
I wouldn't do it. Seems like the profits aren't worth the headaches. Think of it as being the guy that reformats someone's computer for $50, and they bug you every week for tech support.
 
I met with him last night and he seems pretty successful in what he does. He wants to pay me per sale. So without much more of a plan I thought I would try something and just threw up a keyword ad on Craigslist for him. The ad ranked 3 on Google in less than 12 hours. He also bought a few domain names and hosting through my referral and let me drink his beer. We'll see what happens.
 
might want to do some research on how much of a demand there is for roofing in your area, and then find out what percentage of that actually search online for one. most trades do best by word of mouth
 
I just got a call from dude and he got a good lead from the ad that he is going to meet tomorrow. If the sale goes through it's 10% so maybe around $500.

I did some research last night and came up with a few good keywords and domains available for SEO.

His roofing business is new but he told me that the secret to his already successful painting business was advertising online. I saw some of these ads which were on crappy looking classified sites. The ads used to rank well on google but don't anymore, which is why he wants me.
 
This is interesting as I've found myself in a similar situation recently. Made a basic site for a mate's business and now getting asked to make more sites! It seems my wordpress/free template site is better than ones they spent loads on!

I'm now doing the middleman thing and trying to outsource the work, not sure how it's going to work out yet.

Don't know if that would work with a ppc campaign (not cheap to outsource) but maybe you could set up an affiliate program? If he'll pay you 10%, get a program on the networks paying say 7% or a fixed amount? Provide creatives, etc.. you act as an independant affiliate manager and liase with the networks and affiliates. Could be easy money.
 
Hmm, I might play around with this today and see if I can get any leads. My brother owns a construction biz, I bet I can get clicks for like .10-.20 off google local.
 
Hmm, I might play around with this today and see if I can get any leads. My brother owns a construction biz, I bet I can get clicks for like .10-.20 off google local.

It might not be a bad idea to try it out. I almost shit myself when I saw this market is almost untouched online whereas I am used to competing with giants for online ad space.

However you might end up with more leads than you can handle unless you know someone to sell them too which can't be too hard if you know people in the business.
 
There are still tons of small-medium businesses that have no clue how to advertise online. This is a great untapped market to get into.

There was a story about a guy a few months ago in Business 2.0 that is making $50k a month doing just this.


Turning search into sales

A crafty entrepreneur in Cyprus is showing companies how to squeeze more sales leads out of paid search, reports Business 2.0's Paul Sloan


(Business 2.0 Magazine) -- Finding customers on the Web nowadays sounds so easy: Sign up for Google AdWords, tap out a punchy two-line pitch, and let the power of search take over. Millions of people spot your ad and -- poof -- the money starts pouring in.

Fortunately for Mark Vurnum, a former marketing exec from London who now earns his living poolside from a villa in Cyprus, plenty of businesses are doing a lousy job at it.


Vurnum, 32, says he makes about $50,000 a month generating Glengarry-quality sales leads for companies that dabble in paid search but lack the skills required to exploit it effectively. They may have elegant websites with luscious pictures and tons of information. Their search ads may even draw lots of traffic. But more often than not, they're failing to convert traffic into sales.


Vurnum's approach is as simple as it is shrewd. The market for online lead generation in areas like financial services -- where companies pay handsomely for new customers -- is already overcrowded. So Vurnum targets smaller businesses in niche markets.


"The more obscure, the better," he says.
Most companies manage the buying of keywords just fine. If you run, say, a home-theater installation service in Naples, Fla., you're likely to buy up terms about remodeling tied to Naples.


The problem, Vurnum says, is that many companies tend to treat their websites like fancy brochures instead of in-your-face marketing tools. Vurnum's approach, by contrast, is straight out of Direct Marketing 101.
First he'll cold-call a business and ask how its paid-search campaigns are going. Most of the time, he says, the company isn't quite sure. That's Vurnum's cue to pounce. "I ask, 'If I generate a lead for you right now, would you buy it?' They always say yes."


His latest client: First Choice Holidays, a U.K.-based company that sells travel packages. Vurnum saw a First Choice ad for destination weddings in Cyprus, but he noticed that the offerings were buried deep in the company's website.


So he e-mailed First Choice, offering to deliver potential clients. He set up a site (destinationwedding.co.uk) with nothing more than a front page. Below a generic happy-couple photo and a title ("Destination Wedding"), Vurnum slapped in some highly targeted copy with lines like "What you must know before you make any plans for booking your dream wedding in Cyprus."
At the bottom he added what's known as an auto-responder template, in which visitors enter information such as their e-mail address and wedding date. The auto-responder (run by AWeber, one of many cheap providers) fires off two e-mail messages, one to the customer, the other to First Choice.


The page looks so bare-bones that Vurnum says he doesn't even show this kind of site to his clients for fear they'll disapprove.


How does Vurnum get paid? He charges clients a month in advance: If a company wants 300 good leads by a certain date, he delivers. To price his services, Vurnum checks the cost of keywords to calculate what it will cost him per lead and typically doubles that amount.


The beauty of the model, he says, is that it can be applied to virtually any kind of business anywhere in the world. "I'll be brutally honest with you," he says. "I'm not a genius in any way, shape, or form. Anyone can do this. And there's an endless supply of customers who want someone to do this for them."
Playing the Angles: Turning Internet search into sales leads - Aug. 20, 2007
 
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